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What is it you don't understand, this time? In other words: Sure, more of my time can be wasted explaining how despite Cloanto having more opportunity than anyone else, they (or rather 'He') will continue to do the same thing. |
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Hyperion have been sitting on the source repos and claiming exclusive rights and not allowing anyone to do anything, for longer than the entire existence of Commodore Amiga. It was only with the prospect of making some quick and much needed revenue due to "new and exciting hardware" that they allowed ThoR and Olsen to drum up 3.1.4 for them. And now OS3 is in the same dire situation as OS4. Awesome.
As for why Cloanto didn't try to reproduce legacy hardware... on several occasions, they did exactly that, by licensing kickstart and OS to Minimig, MiST etc and even Vampire cards come with a kickstart licensed by Cloanto. Where were you when this happened? Last edited by kolla; 13 May 2019 at 03:11. |
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Mike: "Free? What is this 'Free' you speak of, Mr. Eight Byte Dude?" Nevermind that you cannot even buy any of those, anyhow. Also; saying "they [Cloanto] did exactly that" when all they did, when asked, was charge a licensing fee to use their logo and copyrighted binaries (that were not developed by Cloanto anyway), is yet another example of giving Cloanto FAR too much credit than they deserve. Quote:
So what you're saying is: While Hyperion couldn't touch the legacy IP, once 'new' legacy-based hardware started hitting the market, they were well in their right to make updates for the OS3? Why is Cloanto still following in Amiga Inc's footsteps? He says he inherited the lawsuit. So why doesn't he drop it. Why doesn't he settle? Why stop development if he SO in favor of development? Hmm? Mike told some telling things in the interview, namely that he wants to "preserve the beauty" of Commodore Computers. Since Hyperion can only use that ugly boing-ball to replace the copyrighted twin rainbow checkmark on new Kickstarts they inadvertently offended that beauty. Avoiding the Cloanto-tax might also have something to do with it. |
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Are you equally hostile to A-EON as you are to Cloanto? You should be, as they are supporting Cloanto with the goal of getting rid of Hyperion, so development of both OS3 and OS4 can take place under healthy conditions. Quote:
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I had a glimmer of hope that you actually read what I wrote, but you seem intent on genuinely wasting my time.
I'm not interested in buying OS4 or A-EON PCs. Show me a hardware "emulator" with at least HDMI support that isn't permanently waiting for stock or permanently in development. As for the rest of the nonsense... - The old "no response" to 8-Bit Guy is still a response, trick. - Ignoring Hyperion's obligation to only use the boing-ball for marketing. - Claiming Cloanto funded research and development for MiST/Vampire boards. I just don't have the time to unpack it. |
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Noone made that claim. Cloanto did however make it possible to bring those systems to the market as Amiga products. Hyperion could, if their claim to rights are correct, have done the same, but they always chose to do nothing. Even today, the license for OS 3.1.4 throws doubts about whether using 3.1.4 on Minimig or other FPGA systems is, in Hyperion's eyes, legal or not. And more so, Hyperion refuse to answer any questions regarding their crazy license.
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Ok, you are not interested in these, but here at least the software developers have access to the source-code. How should Cloanto be able to help any "classic" hardware, when they did not have the rights for the source-code? How is that related in any way to HDMI at all? Cloanto acquired the right to distribute the old Kickstart and Workbench for emulators - that is what they did. No fancy product announcements, but also no broken promises. Today they own more right, but it is still not clear what that means exactly, so the court will decide. Quote:
Still no good communication on Cloantos side - but also the 8-bit Guy is partly to blame here - to a lesser degree. But this is a Cloanto and C64 specific thing and not really Amiga related. I was actually mentioning it as a missed opportunity for Cloanto to make some money. |
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@Gorf "missed opportunity for Cloanto to make some money", but that was the entire point - the 8bit guy wanted to keep the costs down, and did not want to rely on any licensing. Also he wanted freedom for the code - I don't know if Cloanto, despite being IP owner, even _have_ the source code for the original C64 ROMs, could very well be that they only have binaries. So "freedom for the code" may very well be an impossibility, or rely on disassembling, but then it might be easier to do what the 8bit guy decided to do - write his own ROM code. Hyperion sycophants here are insist on whining on about Cloanto not wanting to give away C64 ROMs, while the people involved have long since talked it over and resolved the issue. Any end-user with a C64 clone can buy ROMs from Cloanto themselves, if they wish to do so. |
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The WinUAE installer has Cloanto as verified publisher, with everything that involves... Last edited by kolla; 14 May 2019 at 10:44. |
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@bruce abbot
Btw - what do you care about 3.X anyways? Didn't you write somewhere that you find anything beyond pure old CBM 3.1 pointless and useless? |
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Everything we've been given since 3.1 has been shit. Let's face it.
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Yes, unfortunately, AmigaOS is terribly outdated now, and entities like Cloanto are not much of help.
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My main objection to later versions is that by offering 'advanced' features that cannot be provided on lesser systems they fragment the market. We are already seeing that with so many new Aminet releases being 3.9 only (along with 'AGA + 060' productions that must have a tiny audience). Frankly I had enough of that nonsense on PCs, and it's disturbing to see the same thing happening in the Amiga scene. |
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I've used 3.5 and 3.9 and they are both slow, bloated pieces of garbage. |
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