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Old 23 May 2018, 17:22   #101
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But why keep comparing it to what was available in the market at the time? Just take it at face value and unless you hate Amiga games, this is a great machine!

A game asking for a code is not the machine's fault is it? More like the developers being lazy shovelwarers.
Sure, it's just something that gets brought up whenever I show it to someone. But with expansions, it's a great Amiga (cf cards, usb adapters, plipbox, etc.). And you don't have to worry about a yellowing case!
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Old 23 May 2018, 17:45   #102
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If i can add someting :
the pcengine owner had horrible sound chipset ! They were surely happy to have cdda. The cd32 doesn't have really this appeal because of paul which was a wonderfull audio chip; less good than cdda but the difference isn't blatent like with the pcengine.
It could perhaps have been different if the publishers paid an orchestra to remake the tracks but it was rarely the case.
All in all the cd audio doesn't have enough appeal because paula was already very good.

Off course there were many other things to do with the cd-rom format but the use of cd-audio track was the easier to accomplish but when you think that some publishers doesn't even use it !! It was a shame !!
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But with expansions, it's a great Amiga (cf cards, usb adapters, plipbox, etc.). And you don't have to worry about a yellowing case!
I just think it's lovely as it is. No expansions. Why turn it into what it isn't? There's PLENTY of Amiga -computers-
Probably the problem is whoever you show it to doesn't actually like Amiga games. Possibly someone who grew up on Japanese consoles would not get/like Amiga games at all and would compare to their reference frame which is completely different.

That's why I said, if you hate/dislike Amiga games, the CD32 will be shit.
I guess maybe Amiga games just don't feel too console-y in general, and guys like you and I are used to them and appreciate them but it is totally different for "outsiders".
Even if you expand it the games will be the same "piece of shit" games
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when you think that some publishers doesn't even use it !! It was a shame !!
Can you really blame them?
Hiring musicians to redo/make a soundtrack on CD for games on a platform doomed to die soon doesn't sound like a great investment for publishers or developers.
Thankfully we did get some gems like the Skeleton Krew CD32 soundtrack, but probably because Martin Ivesson thought "wtf I have all this gear already, and I work in-house at Core, let's do this".
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I just think it's lovely as it is. No expansions. Why turn it into what it isn't?
Except for the gamepad.

IMO, the Amiga is all about unofficial expansions and going beyond what it was designed for. Being able to run ClassicWB or similar with some of the modern trimmings adds a level coolness that you can't really get with any other console....especially one as old as it is.
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Can you really blame them?
Hiring musicians to redo/make a soundtrack on CD for games on a platform doomed to die soon doesn't sound like a great investment for publishers or developers.
Thankfully we did get some gems like the Skeleton Krew CD32 soundtrack, but probably because Martin Ivesson thought "wtf I have all this gear already, and I work in-house at Core, let's do this".
I blame more commodore they had a true jewel with the amiga technologies and what they did with it is simply a big shame !! I still think that the amiga should have still around those days ! In the 80's it had the best gfx, the best sound, one of the best OS... And what they did with it ??? amiga 500 + a600, a1200, amiga cd32. they weren't bad machines, but they weren't revolutions like the amiga 1000 and the amiga 500 were !
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I find myself agreeing wholeheartedly with Akira. The CD32 is hands down the best Amiga gaming experience. Burn a disc and away you go, it really is that easy. No mucking about with floppies etc. The TF328 opens a door to a larger library at your fingertips. But there are CD compilations out there that do the same thing.

For those developers that did take the time to invest something into it, the CD32 does have the better version. Off the top of my head a stand out example is Guardian. Exactly the same gameplay, grpahics etc between A1200 and CD32 but the CD Audio music just lifts it to the next level.

Akira is correct though. Commodore was on its knees at the launch of the CD32. If I'm correct I've read reports that they had to pay for some components in cash. No credit was being offered to them. When it gets to that stage the company is sinking and couple with the court case / law suite in america restricting the sale of the console it was a no win scenario.

In every industry when there is even an hint at a company going south most everyone working with them will tread very carefully, will not extend credit, will demand payment up front, will closely scrutinize payments being made. I see it all the time in the construction industry. Once a company is on a downward spiral it becomes difficult to pull out.

Developers knew this. There is no way a developer is pouring money into a new system from a dying company when that very system can run existing software that can be ported in not 5 minutes.

As I said before I think there is a tendency to try and compare the CD32 to the playstation, saturn, 3d0, jaguar era of consoles (I get my generations mixed up, 4th gen?) It'd prefer to see it as more of the end of the Mega Drive (mega CD), SNES era and compared there its the best console of the bunch.

Of course all that argument is 20 - 25 years old now so maybe its time to let that go and admit that the CD32 is the best plarform for Amiga gaming.
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Absolutely agree, no point disecting the whats and wherefores of the CD32 and its contemporaries again.

It makes sense that the price is driven by how much easier it makes it to play Amiga games and it's a much neater solution say under a TV than perhaps a big A1200 sitting underneath it.

I think it's a shame so that the CD storage space wasn't put to better use but I have heard the CD32 was rushed to market due to Commodore's financial woes so I guess developers were caught out by that.

You could create a truly beautiful Amiga game with gorgeous 2D pixel art with what CD storage space opens up. It just needs big teams of directors/designers/artists/coders and time to make use of it.
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I'd put its recent popularity down to a few things.

1. The TF328 expansion with a CF card filled with WHDLoad makes the console very attractive as a compact amiga gaming experience.
2. The compact size and styling of the console sits better in the living room rather than the wedge computers.
3. Retro gaming in general seems to follow a 25-30 year revival so perhaps its just the CD32s turn for the casual retro gamer looking an amiga experience.
4. An Amiga console is maybe less daunting to the general retro gamer over an Amiga computer.
5. It has a fair bit of coverage on youtube of late from Retro Man Cave and GadgetUK.
There's also going to be a dedicated CD32 history episode on the AMIGArama podcast soon. Been digging through loads of books, articles etc. to come up with something interesting. Will also be looking at the launch titles and interesting stories depending on what I can find out.
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