Philips CD-i discs

mk1 · 25 March 2009, 23:07

Hi,

I'm having my first experience with the Philips CD-i discs and it's not a good start. I read somewhere that they could be played in a CD32 and also most DVD players that play VCDs.

Apparently this is not the case. I don't own a CD-i player or an FMV cartridge myself so I can't test the discs, but I thought they would work on a normal DVD player which can play VideoCDs or at least show up their contents on CD/DVD-drive.

So, before I go barking on the eBay-seller for selling me defective discs I'll ask you guys. Are these discs supposed to be readable by computer CD/DVD-drives (both Win and Mac refused), DVD players which can play VCDs (didn't work on mine) or even on the CD32 FMV (which I'm planning to get later on)?

If it's a no to all three then I got two movies for anyone who wants to buy them.

PowerPie5000 · 25 March 2009, 23:14

The CD32 adapter allows it to play standard VCD/Mpeg discs and will not work with CD-I discs (different format).

CD-I discs will not play on anything other than a CD-I player and i think philips did release a dvd player that could also read CD-I discs.

You may be able to get an emulator or some kind of software that will allow you to play it on PC but i have not looked into this myself

Retro-Nerd · 25 March 2009, 23:18

There are probably a few CDI VCD's which don't use the Greenbook standard, but the most movies shouldn't work on a DVD player.

mk1 · 25 March 2009, 23:20

Doh!

I'm quite sure I read somewhere that one could play CD-i video discs on a CD32 and the magazine even reviewed them. Maybe I'm not remembering right then..

PowerPie5000 · 25 March 2009, 23:22

I have an FMV adapter for the sega saturn and that allows me to play Mpeg and VCD's but not CD-I discs, i think this will be the same with the CD32

prowler · 25 March 2009, 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by PowerPie5000

CD-I discs will not play on anything other than a CD-I player.

Yes, that is basically correct. However, it might be more accurate to say that they will not play *properly* on anything other than a CD-i player.

I have seen them play in PCs with an MPEG card fitted, but with no regard to the interactive feature of the discs, i.e. the video clips are simply shown sequentially, just like an audio CD player, only a video one instead.

(This facility can be quite useful to reveal the video clips that you have never seen on a disc, because you couldn't play the game well enough!

)

Quote:

Originally Posted by PowerPie5000

You may be able to get an emulator or some kind of software that will allow you to play it on PC but i have not looked into this myself

Here's a link to the only CD-i emulator in existence:
http://www.cdiemu.org/

prowler

hit · 25 March 2009, 23:28

IIRC cd-i is not vcd, its more than just mpeg movies. there exists two emulators, one for free (not that good working) and a commercial one. http://www.cdiemu.org/ and cd-ice (look into the zone).

Edit: @prowler: at the same time

Retro-Nerd · 25 March 2009, 23:32

Just read that a lot of CD-I branded movies are normal VCD's. Maybe you had bad luck with yours, or your multi-format DVD player has problems to read them.

A short list of DVD player compatible CD-I movies:

Apocalypse Now
Crocodile Dundee II
A Fish Called Wanda
Sliver
Indecent Proposal
The Firm
Thelma & Louise
Moonstruck
Mr. Bean - The Amazing Adventures of Mr. Bean
Star Trek I-IV

mk1 · 25 March 2009, 23:36

Thanks for the links, guys.

Unfortunately I don't posses any of the CD-i roms and there was no mention if the emu would play video discs (and judging by the short list of games that work I doubt it) so that emulator is of no use for me right now.

So, if any of you people who own the real thing want to buy The Hunt for the Red October or Patriot Games let me know.

prowler · 25 March 2009, 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Just read that a lot of CD-I branded movies are normal VCD's.

That's something I've not heard, Retro. Have you seen any lists of these movies?

Retro-Nerd · 25 March 2009, 23:39

Read my edit.

Only playable on CD-I machines:

Fatal Attraction
Black Rain
Top Gun
Playboy´s Complete Massage
Patriot Games
Ghost
The Naked Gun 2 1/2
Keep the Faith - An Evening with Bon Jovi
Star Trek VI

prowler · 25 March 2009, 23:41

Thanks, mate!

mk1 · 25 March 2009, 23:43

So, the titles in the first list should work on a CD32 too then?

Well, found the link I remembered. I guess it only tells half the truth after all.
http://stason.org/TULARC/pc/amiga/cd...Video-CDs.html

Retro-Nerd · 25 March 2009, 23:48

If you have an multi-format DVD player that don't cares about any standards you could try to start the "DAT" file (MGEG-1) from the CD-I movies. I guess it's worth a try.

mk1 · 25 March 2009, 23:51

No luck. It just spins the discs for a minute or so and says it can't read them.

Mad-Matt · 26 March 2009, 00:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Read my edit.

Only playable on CD-I machines:

Fatal Attraction
Black Rain
Top Gun
Playboy´s Complete Massage
Patriot Games
Ghost
The Naked Gun 2 1/2
Keep the Faith - An Evening with Bon Jovi
Star Trek VI

Startrek VI I know is a standard VCD as I own it. Works fine in dvd player and I originaly watched in through froggerppc when i got it years ago. It was also the film used to demo cd32 fmv card in Amiga Format.

I think as long as it Says VideoCD on the spine, ya good to go on any vcd player.

Retro-Nerd · 26 March 2009, 00:09

There are two versions of Star Trek VI as it seems. Of course you could try to rip the"DAT" MPEG-1 file with Isobuster, then burn a Standard VCD with Nero. Anyway, i guess you want to watch the original CD's.

http://forum.videohelp.com/topic141726.html

prowler · 26 March 2009, 00:29

Hi All,

Does anyone know *why* these CD-i films are split into two camps? I haven't yet managed to play any successfully on my multi-format, multi-region DVD players. (I haven't tried my PS2 with AR MAX yet!

)

prowler

Parsec · 26 March 2009, 00:52

(Assuming you're talking about CD-I movie discs here, not software titles)

I think what happened in Philips went to market before the standard was agreed. So the earlier movie titles were CD-I discs, and they will only play on proper CD-I hardware, except for maybe PC emulators or clever hardware MPEG-1 boards.

The later movie titles were VideoCD, after the standard was agreed. They will play on your CD32 with FMV module.

You can tell of the front cover which type of CD it is because there will be a logo.

I have Star Trek Generations on VCD somewhere I think. Played it to death on my PC using software decoding on a P133 - it was the only way I could watch films at Uni!

Parsec · 26 March 2009, 00:57

There is currently a disc on eBay: item 170313379913. This is the VideoCD type that will play on various systems including the CD32.

By the way I'm pretty sure almost all DVD players will play VideoCD's, they are usually backwards compatible.

25 March 2009, 23:07	#1
mk1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Helsinki / Finland Posts: 403	Philips CD-i discs Hi, I'm having my first experience with the Philips CD-i discs and it's not a good start. I read somewhere that they could be played in a CD32 and also most DVD players that play VCDs. Apparently this is not the case. I don't own a CD-i player or an FMV cartridge myself so I can't test the discs, but I thought they would work on a normal DVD player which can play VideoCDs or at least show up their contents on CD/DVD-drive. So, before I go barking on the eBay-seller for selling me defective discs I'll ask you guys. Are these discs supposed to be readable by computer CD/DVD-drives (both Win and Mac refused), DVD players which can play VCDs (didn't work on mine) or even on the CD32 FMV (which I'm planning to get later on)? If it's a no to all three then I got two movies for anyone who wants to buy them.

25 March 2009, 23:32	#8
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,435	Just read that a lot of CD-I branded movies are normal VCD's. Maybe you had bad luck with yours, or your multi-format DVD player has problems to read them. A short list of DVD player compatible CD-I movies: Apocalypse Now Crocodile Dundee II A Fish Called Wanda Sliver Indecent Proposal The Firm Thelma & Louise Moonstruck Mr. Bean - The Amazing Adventures of Mr. Bean Star Trek I-IV Last edited by Retro-Nerd; 25 March 2009 at 23:39.

26 March 2009, 00:09	#17
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,435	There are two versions of Star Trek VI as it seems. Of course you could try to rip the"DAT" MPEG-1 file with Isobuster, then burn a Standard VCD with Nero. Anyway, i guess you want to watch the original CD's. http://forum.videohelp.com/topic141726.html Last edited by Retro-Nerd; 26 March 2009 at 00:26.

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25 March 2009, 23:14	#2
PowerPie5000 Miggy Ate My Hamster! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 1,566	The CD32 adapter allows it to play standard VCD/Mpeg discs and will not work with CD-I discs (different format). CD-I discs will not play on anything other than a CD-I player and i think philips did release a dvd player that could also read CD-I discs. You may be able to get an emulator or some kind of software that will allow you to play it on PC but i have not looked into this myself

25 March 2009, 23:18	#3
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,435	There are probably a few CDI VCD's which don't use the Greenbook standard, but the most movies shouldn't work on a DVD player.

25 March 2009, 23:20	#4
mk1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Helsinki / Finland Posts: 403	Doh! I'm quite sure I read somewhere that one could play CD-i video discs on a CD32 and the magazine even reviewed them. Maybe I'm not remembering right then..

25 March 2009, 23:22	#5
PowerPie5000 Miggy Ate My Hamster! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 1,566	I have an FMV adapter for the sega saturn and that allows me to play Mpeg and VCD's but not CD-I discs, i think this will be the same with the CD32

25 March 2009, 23:28	#7
hit Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: planet earth Posts: 1,115	IIRC cd-i is not vcd, its more than just mpeg movies. there exists two emulators, one for free (not that good working) and a commercial one. http://www.cdiemu.org/ and cd-ice (look into the zone). Edit: @prowler: at the same time

25 March 2009, 23:36	#9
mk1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Helsinki / Finland Posts: 403	Thanks for the links, guys. Unfortunately I don't posses any of the CD-i roms and there was no mention if the emu would play video discs (and judging by the short list of games that work I doubt it) so that emulator is of no use for me right now. So, if any of you people who own the real thing want to buy The Hunt for the Red October or Patriot Games let me know.

25 March 2009, 23:39	#11
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,435	Read my edit. Only playable on CD-I machines: Fatal Attraction Black Rain Top Gun Playboy´s Complete Massage Patriot Games Ghost The Naked Gun 2 1/2 Keep the Faith - An Evening with Bon Jovi Star Trek VI

25 March 2009, 23:41	#12
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	Thanks, mate!

25 March 2009, 23:43	#13
mk1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Helsinki / Finland Posts: 403	So, the titles in the first list should work on a CD32 too then? Well, found the link I remembered. I guess it only tells half the truth after all. http://stason.org/TULARC/pc/amiga/cd...Video-CDs.html

25 March 2009, 23:48	#14
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,435	If you have an multi-format DVD player that don't cares about any standards you could try to start the "DAT" file (MGEG-1) from the CD-I movies. I guess it's worth a try.

25 March 2009, 23:51	#15
mk1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Helsinki / Finland Posts: 403	No luck. It just spins the discs for a minute or so and says it can't read them.

26 March 2009, 00:29	#18
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	Hi All, Does anyone know why these CD-i films are split into two camps? I haven't yet managed to play any successfully on my multi-format, multi-region DVD players. (I haven't tried my PS2 with AR MAX yet! ) prowler

26 March 2009, 00:52	#19
Parsec Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Lancashire Age: 49 Posts: 434	(Assuming you're talking about CD-I movie discs here, not software titles) I think what happened in Philips went to market before the standard was agreed. So the earlier movie titles were CD-I discs, and they will only play on proper CD-I hardware, except for maybe PC emulators or clever hardware MPEG-1 boards. The later movie titles were VideoCD, after the standard was agreed. They will play on your CD32 with FMV module. You can tell of the front cover which type of CD it is because there will be a logo. I have Star Trek Generations on VCD somewhere I think. Played it to death on my PC using software decoding on a P133 - it was the only way I could watch films at Uni!

26 March 2009, 00:57	#20
Parsec Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Lancashire Age: 49 Posts: 434	There is currently a disc on eBay: item 170313379913. This is the VideoCD type that will play on various systems including the CD32. By the way I'm pretty sure almost all DVD players will play VideoCD's, they are usually backwards compatible.

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