Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo - The Greatest Amiga Gaming Casualty? - Page 5

StarEye · 23 August 2006, 22:25

Question: is there anywhere I can find Super Street Fighter II Turbo AGA? And I don't mean the CD32 version, because I want normal AGA for use with a normal one-button controller. I need the disk-version for AGA Amigas.

CU_AMiGA · 08 November 2006, 21:59

Hey Yo!

The Sharp X68000 sounds like a good machine... it's a shame the Neo-geo pisses all over it!

Regards

AmigaHope · 09 November 2006, 09:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarEye

Question: is there anywhere I can find Super Street Fighter II Turbo AGA? And I don't mean the CD32 version, because I want normal AGA for use with a normal one-button controller. I need the disk-version for AGA Amigas.

Playing Street Fighter with a one-button controller is a ridiculous concept. The game simply loses all its depth with one button and you really can't access the moves properly.

...the Amiga port of SSFIITurbo was pretty bad anyway. The screenshots are gorgeous but the sound is nonexistent (save for the CD32 music tracks) and the animation is horrid. =/

07 August 2015, 18:29

If you play it on a 68030 or 68040 machine, the speed is good.

beezle · 07 August 2015, 18:49

Speed is fine on even a stock a1200, its the fact it's missing half the animation frames and moves so jerky that makes it so bad. Timing is destroyed because of it, which further destroys the game.

Abhorrent version, regardless of hardware.
Looks nice in screenshots, but that's about the only positive thing that can be said about it.
Even the dire US Gold conversion is more playable, and that's an achievement

Adrian Browne · 08 August 2015, 00:17

I remember at the time. Gametek promised an arcade perfect port. Then the cd32 died a quick death. It was delayed and then finally rush released to make a quick buck or recoup losses. It was clearly unfinished. The cd32 could have handled a perfect port.

Retro-Nerd · 08 August 2015, 11:23

At least the PC CD-Rom version was a fine port.

26 August 2015, 23:43

Capcom was the only one capable of porting it perfectly. Their 68000 routines for the CPS1 system games were wonderfully optimized, and they know what quality and gameplay meant.

But they never cares abor developping on Amiga, and it was really a pity.

nobody · 27 August 2015, 07:01

Shadow fighter was the best sf2-like game.
I agree if capcom themselves were going to throw some cash on the Amiga a good port of sf2 could happen. They had ace programmers etc. Look at megadrive port of sf2 which I think was done by capcom.

Adrian Browne · 28 August 2015, 03:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by nobody

Shadow fighter was the best sf2-like game.
I agree if capcom themselves were going to throw some cash on the Amiga a good port of sf2 could happen. They had ace programmers etc. Look at megadrive port of sf2 which I think was done by capcom.

It was, champions edition on megadrive was a very good port.

vulture · 31 August 2015, 12:30

Strangely enough, Freestyle did an excellent work bringing the gameplay mechanics to the amiga version of SSF2 (not turbo) and I really think they must've been handed the original code from Capcom, cuz it's pretty accurate. Gametek brought the game to PC-DOS as we all know and it was near identical to the arcade original in every aspect, so, I suspect, they had the original code to use as well. Now, if someone could only get the missing frames from the DOS version to ours....!

dlfrsilver · 28 April 2016, 00:22

an information i found inside a FAQ made by the PC creators of the SSF2T port :

-- [5g] ---------- The game seems to sometimes skip frames - why?

In order that Super Street Fighter II Turbo could run on all machines at a
similar game speed, a timer system was used which runs at the rate of the
video refresh. This means on slower machines, where the game takes longer
than one video refresh cycle, the game will skip frames.

Without this system, the game becomes unplayable on low end PC's.

However, the system does have a couple of problems. On low end PC's due to
the frames that are skipped, certain animations look incomplete (see Guile's
sonic boom below).

-- [5h] ---------- Guile's sonic boom doesn't always animate right - why?

Guile's sonic boom is fully animated, but is one of the largest fireballs in
the game. For this reason, on slower machines the sonic boom may not appear
in full, since the machine is not fast enough to display all the graphics
data in one frame. This will lead to the impression that the boom is only
partially visible or fully visible but not spinning.

So this is the actual reason for the animations to not be displayed and animated correctly on the amiga version. They must have kept the PC timer system, as a result, the animations are not played correctly !

DamienD · 28 April 2016, 19:49

...a little late to the party but.

If you aren't using a CD32 or 6 button pad how to you kick?

Q / A / Z / S seems to punch but can't find keys to kick...

I know in "Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers" you press <Left Shift> and that changes from punch --> kick but no luck here

DamienD · 30 April 2016, 17:44

Ok, managed to figure out how to kick using keyboard...

Not sure what key this is on a real Amiga but when using WinUAE on my laptop you need to hold <Insert> and then Q / A / Z / S / E will become kicks instead of punches when pressed

s2325 · 30 April 2016, 17:53

On Amiga it should be key to the left of Enter ( ] or # ) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-d-QKHGfMq0...2BKeyboard.jpg

DamienD · 30 April 2016, 18:14

So have connected both my wireless Xbox 360 controllers.

Trying to map buttons / functions to the following:

X = Light Punch
Y = Medium Punch
LT = Strong Punch
A = Light Kick
B = Medium Kick
RT = Strong Kick

Damned if I can work out how to achieve this through "Hosts" --> "Input" section

Nobby_UK · 30 April 2016, 20:27

Have you tried a 2 player game ?

When I tried --- it would only register a 2 button (B+C) press as a Selection
and naturally player 2 would have limited moves.

dlfrsilver · 30 April 2016, 22:00

this game needs in fact 2 CD32 pads to do things correctly.....

DamienD · 30 April 2016, 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

this game needs in fact 2 CD32 pads to do things correctly.....

Yeah that's cool; I have 2 x wireless Xbox 360 controllers that I can connect up to WinUAE

My issue is remapping buttons / functions correctly in WinUAE. Maybe it's just me but it's not very easy or logical... Probably need Toni's expert advise

Tyball · 30 April 2016, 22:53

Why would you want to play sf2 which is clearly inferior to other ports on an emulated amiga? Why not just emulate a snes or mega drive?

31 August 2015, 12:30	#91
vulture Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 1,842	Strangely enough, Freestyle did an excellent work bringing the gameplay mechanics to the amiga version of SSF2 (not turbo) and I really think they must've been handed the original code from Capcom, cuz it's pretty accurate. Gametek brought the game to PC-DOS as we all know and it was near identical to the arcade original in every aspect, so, I suspect, they had the original code to use as well. Now, if someone could only get the missing frames from the DOS version to ours....! Last edited by vulture; 30 October 2015 at 11:07.

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23 August 2006, 22:25	#81
StarEye Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Norway Age: 46 Posts: 987	Question: is there anywhere I can find Super Street Fighter II Turbo AGA? And I don't mean the CD32 version, because I want normal AGA for use with a normal one-button controller. I need the disk-version for AGA Amigas.

08 November 2006, 21:59	#82
CU_AMiGA Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Exeter Age: 39 Posts: 970	Hey Yo! The Sharp X68000 sounds like a good machine... it's a shame the Neo-geo pisses all over it! Regards

07 August 2015, 18:29	#84
MCMXC Posts: n/a	If you play it on a 68030 or 68040 machine, the speed is good.

07 August 2015, 18:49	#85
beezle Banned Join Date: May 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 67	Speed is fine on even a stock a1200, its the fact it's missing half the animation frames and moves so jerky that makes it so bad. Timing is destroyed because of it, which further destroys the game. Abhorrent version, regardless of hardware. Looks nice in screenshots, but that's about the only positive thing that can be said about it. Even the dire US Gold conversion is more playable, and that's an achievement

08 August 2015, 00:17	#86
Adrian Browne Jackie Chan Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Ireland Age: 46 Posts: 986	I remember at the time. Gametek promised an arcade perfect port. Then the cd32 died a quick death. It was delayed and then finally rush released to make a quick buck or recoup losses. It was clearly unfinished. The cd32 could have handled a perfect port.

08 August 2015, 11:23	#87
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,442	At least the PC CD-Rom version was a fine port.

26 August 2015, 23:43	#88
Vollldo Posts: n/a	Capcom was the only one capable of porting it perfectly. Their 68000 routines for the CPS1 system games were wonderfully optimized, and they know what quality and gameplay meant. But they never cares abor developping on Amiga, and it was really a pity.

27 August 2015, 07:01	#89
nobody Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: GR Age: 47 Posts: 1,416	Shadow fighter was the best sf2-like game. I agree if capcom themselves were going to throw some cash on the Amiga a good port of sf2 could happen. They had ace programmers etc. Look at megadrive port of sf2 which I think was done by capcom.

28 April 2016, 00:22	#92
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,421	an information i found inside a FAQ made by the PC creators of the SSF2T port : -- [5g] ---------- The game seems to sometimes skip frames - why? In order that Super Street Fighter II Turbo could run on all machines at a similar game speed, a timer system was used which runs at the rate of the video refresh. This means on slower machines, where the game takes longer than one video refresh cycle, the game will skip frames. Without this system, the game becomes unplayable on low end PC's. However, the system does have a couple of problems. On low end PC's due to the frames that are skipped, certain animations look incomplete (see Guile's sonic boom below). -- [5h] ---------- Guile's sonic boom doesn't always animate right - why? Guile's sonic boom is fully animated, but is one of the largest fireballs in the game. For this reason, on slower machines the sonic boom may not appear in full, since the machine is not fast enough to display all the graphics data in one frame. This will lead to the impression that the boom is only partially visible or fully visible but not spinning. So this is the actual reason for the animations to not be displayed and animated correctly on the amiga version. They must have kept the PC timer system, as a result, the animations are not played correctly !

28 April 2016, 19:49	#93
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	...a little late to the party but. If you aren't using a CD32 or 6 button pad how to you kick? Q / A / Z / S seems to punch but can't find keys to kick... I know in "Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers" you press <Left Shift> and that changes from punch --> kick but no luck here

30 April 2016, 17:44	#94
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Ok, managed to figure out how to kick using keyboard... Not sure what key this is on a real Amiga but when using WinUAE on my laptop you need to hold <Insert> and then Q / A / Z / S / E will become kicks instead of punches when pressed

30 April 2016, 17:53	#95
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	On Amiga it should be key to the left of Enter ( ] or # ) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-d-QKHGfMq0...2BKeyboard.jpg

30 April 2016, 18:14	#96
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	So have connected both my wireless Xbox 360 controllers. Trying to map buttons / functions to the following: X = Light Punch Y = Medium Punch LT = Strong Punch A = Light Kick B = Medium Kick RT = Strong Kick Damned if I can work out how to achieve this through "Hosts" --> "Input" section

30 April 2016, 20:27	#97
Nobby_UK Registered User Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,598	Have you tried a 2 player game ? When I tried --- it would only register a 2 button (B+C) press as a Selection and naturally player 2 would have limited moves.

30 April 2016, 22:00	#98
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,421	this game needs in fact 2 CD32 pads to do things correctly.....

30 April 2016, 22:53	#100
Tyball Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 82	Why would you want to play sf2 which is clearly inferior to other ports on an emulated amiga? Why not just emulate a snes or mega drive?

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