Kickstart 3.9 ROM Beta screenshots & movie - Page 3

amiga · 12 March 2009, 09:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predabot

Hmm...! This is indeed cool. Do you all think it would be possible to make a Kickstart 4.1 rom as well?? I mean, that's the latest Amiga OS, yes?
...
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Sorry to disappoint you, but the latest Amiga "Workbench" was version 3.1 from Commodore in 1993!
All post-bankruptcy crap shouldn't count!

Jope · 12 March 2009, 11:40

I also did 3.9 ROMs for the 4000, 3000 and 500/600/2000. Very simple to do thanks to doobrey's instructions, but you do lose some compatibility if you want to boot retro stuff on the machine, also workbench.library becomes disk based..

wobbly · 12 March 2009, 11:55

how do i watch video?

i click link in first post but can't seem to find it on the page

thank you all

DoogUK · 12 March 2009, 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calgor

I think he is still sorting out the 1MB ROM issues....

I havent had the time to have another go at the 1mb rom, i may tomorrow.

I've not had any problems with the 3.9 rom i created except Scalos in classicwb looks for the workbench.library in rom...and so will not run.

Its a kinda pain as thats all i use.

Once i've successfuly created the 1mb rom i will post a complete howto with screenshots.

Amiga1992 · 12 March 2009, 18:56

Why is workbench.library not allowed in the ROM anymore? Is there any way to keep it there if I want to add only a couple of libraries?

DoogUK · 12 March 2009, 19:01

It's a room issue on the 512kb rom, the newer devices and libraries are bigger in size and something has to go...normaly icon.lib and workbench.lib as these are loaded in WB.

If you replace the exec with Piru's exec then there's room for icon.lib to stay in the rom...but not Workbench.lib as it's too large.

If i can successfuly create the 1mb rom this will eliminate the problem and leave lots of room for stuff to be added to the rom...like blizzkick modules etc.

DoogUK · 12 March 2009, 19:03

You could leave the newer startup menu out of the rom and then keep workbench.lib, no big loss only losing 31khz support in the bootup menu.....will have to have a look at that.

AlfaRomeo · 12 March 2009, 19:25

It´s possible to put a new Screen in rom so it can appears on screen at very start of amiga?

DoogUK · 12 March 2009, 19:42

You can do that anyway in software...aminet has utilities to let you choose your own bootscreen.

hit · 12 March 2009, 21:19

and what about changing the "insert disk" kickstart screen? in which file is it stored?

Edit: like the one ratte posted on page #1. is it a major secret, or why he cant give a little more info, after posting such things?

Amiga1992 · 12 March 2009, 21:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoogUK

It's a room issue on the 512kb rom

I thought A1200 ROMs were 1MB?
I surely am not understanding this fully

Quote:

Originally Posted by hit

and what about changing the "insert disk" kickstart screen? in which file is it stored?

yeah, that's what I want to do, bootscreens on Aminet are just IFF displayers while your Workbench boots (ie lame)

TCD · 12 March 2009, 21:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

I thought A1200 ROMs were 1MB?
I surely am not understanding this fully

No, they are all 512 KB like Doog said. Would be interested to know if a 1 MB rom image would somehow work with (Win)UAE?

fryguy · 12 March 2009, 21:41

About the kickstart picture (atleast for 1.x):

@Akira: i think i read somewhere that it isn't stored as an image, but is generated from code to save space or something like that.

Amiga1992 · 12 March 2009, 22:09

So what is this, then?

TCD · 12 March 2009, 22:17

Erm, this maybe : http://aminet.net/package/util/sys/twinkick

Ratte · 12 March 2009, 22:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoogUK

It's a room issue on the 512kb rom, the newer devices and libraries are bigger in size and something has to go...normaly icon.lib and workbench.lib as these are loaded in WB.

If you replace the exec with Piru's exec then there's room for icon.lib to stay in the rom...but not Workbench.lib as it's too large.

If i can successfuly create the 1mb rom this will eliminate the problem and leave lots of room for stuff to be added to the rom...like blizzkick modules etc.

If you own an A4000T you will have these problem (extra room needed for the NCRscsi.device).
All other systems (A500-A4000D) have enough romspace for a 3.9 rom.
You can create it classic compatible with two specials.

1. add the "wbfind" from a 4000t rom and your system allways works with workbench.library on disk ( should work without, but this is MORE compatible, because it search for the lib on every drive instead only LIBS: ).

2. icon.library 45.5 .. the only real "romable" 3.9 icon.library and downgraded to work also with 68000 cpus.
The presetting in 45.5 are changed to view old icon-sytle with borders (3.1 compatible) if no prefs are loaded.

Here is my old A500/600/2000(A1000) buildlist from 2006.

Code:

RomBase $F80000
RomSize 512
;Build list
/exec_45.20(68000)
/audio.device_37.10
/input_40.1
/graphics.lib_40.24(68000)
/dos.library_40.3
/filesystem_45.14
/console.device_44.10
/layers.library_40.1
/scsi.device_43.43(A600)
/con-handler_40.2
/bootmenu_44.7(68000)
/timer.device_39.4
/expansion_40.2(A500-600-2000)
/utility.library_40.1(68000)
/battclock.resource_39.3
/carddisk.resource_40.1
/cia.resource_39.1
/filesystem.resource_45.10
/battmem.resource_39.2
/potgo.resource_37.4
/misc.resource_37.1
/wbtask_39.1
/disk.resource_37.2
/ramdrive_39.35
/mathffp.library_40.1
/keymap.library_40.4
/romboot_40.1
/card.resource_40.4
/mathieeesingbas.lib_40.4(68000)
/trackdisk.device_40.1
/icon.library_45.5
/ram-handler_44.24
/shell_45.12
/intuition.library_40.85
/gadtools.library_40.4
/wbfind 40.1
/ramlib_40.2

@Akira: Twinkick3.9 is not public.

Amiga1992 · 12 March 2009, 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Erm, this maybe : http://aminet.net/package/util/sys/twinkick

Ratte · 12 March 2009, 22:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

... its Kick3.1.

TCD · 12 March 2009, 22:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratte

... its Kick3.1.

Maybe you can shed some light on this then

I would say it's an modified version then?

hit · 12 March 2009, 22:51

@TCD: never thought it could be found there, thnx

@ratte: thnx for the infos

concerning the 1MB rom. IIRC it was said, you can use a main and extended rom on a real amiga.
using the "1MegRom" module by doobrey on the main rom (ROMBase $F80000) and adding all remaining things into the extended one (ROMBase $E00000).
at least this way i made such combination which works in winuae. here is the projectfile:

Code:

;Build list extended rom
;ROMBase $E00000
;ROMSize 512

ADD others/RomHeader/romheader
ADD BK_Mods/Patchmath020_All  
ADD BK_Mods/Romfixes2         
ADD BlizKick/Modules/A1000Jingle
ADD BlizKick/Modules/SpeedyChip 

;Build list main rom
;ROMBase $F80000
;ROMSize 512

ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/exec_40.10(A1200)
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/audio.device_37.10
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/battclock.resource_39.3
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/battmem.resource_39.2
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/bootmenu_40.5(A1200)
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/filesystem.resource_40.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/cia.resource_39.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/filesystem_40.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/con-handler_40.2
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/mathffp.library_40.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/misc.resource_37.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/potgo.resource_37.4
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/mathieeesingbas.lib_40.4(020)
ADD others/1MegRom
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/ramdrive_39.35
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/ram-handler_39.4
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/scsi.device_40.12(A1200)
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/shell_40.2
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/timer.device_39.4
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/romboot_40.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/ramlib_40.2
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/gadtools.library_40.4
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/intuition.library_40.85
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/input_40.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/icon.library_40.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/graphics.lib_40.24(AGA)
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/console.device_40.2
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/disk.resource_37.2
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/layers.library_40.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/keymap.library_40.4
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/trackdisk.device_40.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/utility.library_40.1(020)
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/wbtask_39.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/workbench.library_40.5
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/dos.library_40.3
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/expansion_40.2(A1200)
ADD BK_Mods/HogWaitBlit
ADD BK_Mods/Romfixes2
ADD BlizKick/Modules/FixMath404
ADD BlizKick/Modules/NewAlert
ADD BK_Mods/Patchmath020_All
ADD Modules/Exec44b4/LatePatch
ADD PowerWindows/BlizKick/PowerWindows

and yes, its plays the a1000 jingle while booting

so is there a need for a 1MB rom at all? or do i mix here something?

Edit: "others/1MegRom" was renamed in the last release of remus -> "Remus/Others/Blizkick/1MB_ROM"
so add "1MB_ROM" instead of "1MegRom".

12 March 2009, 21:41	#53
fryguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Skarabörg, Sweden Age: 44 Posts: 1,019	About the kickstart picture (atleast for 1.x): @Akira: i think i read somewhere that it isn't stored as an image, but is generated from code to save space or something like that. Last edited by fryguy; 12 March 2009 at 21:49.

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12 March 2009, 11:40	#42
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	I also did 3.9 ROMs for the 4000, 3000 and 500/600/2000. Very simple to do thanks to doobrey's instructions, but you do lose some compatibility if you want to boot retro stuff on the machine, also workbench.library becomes disk based..

12 March 2009, 11:55	#43
wobbly Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 130	how do i watch video? i click link in first post but can't seem to find it on the page thank you all

12 March 2009, 18:56	#45
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Why is workbench.library not allowed in the ROM anymore? Is there any way to keep it there if I want to add only a couple of libraries?

12 March 2009, 19:01	#46
DoogUK Doogster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,069	It's a room issue on the 512kb rom, the newer devices and libraries are bigger in size and something has to go...normaly icon.lib and workbench.lib as these are loaded in WB. If you replace the exec with Piru's exec then there's room for icon.lib to stay in the rom...but not Workbench.lib as it's too large. If i can successfuly create the 1mb rom this will eliminate the problem and leave lots of room for stuff to be added to the rom...like blizzkick modules etc.

12 March 2009, 19:03	#47
DoogUK Doogster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,069	You could leave the newer startup menu out of the rom and then keep workbench.lib, no big loss only losing 31khz support in the bootup menu.....will have to have a look at that.

12 March 2009, 19:25	#48
AlfaRomeo A1200 040 SAM440EP 667 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lisbon / Portugal Posts: 873	It´s possible to put a new Screen in rom so it can appears on screen at very start of amiga?

12 March 2009, 19:42	#49
DoogUK Doogster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,069	You can do that anyway in software...aminet has utilities to let you choose your own bootscreen.

12 March 2009, 21:19	#50
hit Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: planet earth Posts: 1,115	and what about changing the "insert disk" kickstart screen? in which file is it stored? Edit: like the one ratte posted on page #1. is it a major secret, or why he cant give a little more info, after posting such things?

12 March 2009, 22:09	#54
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	So what is this, then?

12 March 2009, 22:17	#55
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,525	Erm, this maybe : http://aminet.net/package/util/sys/twinkick

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