I just installed my new "Amiga". :)

25 March 2002, 03:43

It's indeed several times faster than my real 060 Amiga.

Woohoo!

Btw, the link only works if you past it into a new browser window.
www.lemon64.com/mywb2.jpg

Djay · 25 March 2002, 03:45

thx for the C64 games, btw

25 March 2002, 03:49

Quote:

Originally posted by Djay
thx for the C64 games, btw

You're welcome!

Do you visit the Lemon board btw, I think I recognize your name.

Djay · 25 March 2002, 03:54

i've leeched some stuff from your site, Big C64 fan you see, oh yeah and Amiga, never been on your forum, i might now thou!

what did you use to install Workbench? (AIAB, Amiga Forever etc..)?

25 March 2002, 04:00

Quote:

Originally posted by Djay

what did you use to install Workbench? (AIAB, Amiga Forever etc..)?

I bought Amiga Forever 5 and installed OS 3.5 on top of that. I perfer to have everything as clean as possible (AIAB is not clean imho) without having it hacked to bits, but I did install VisualPrefs and Magic Menu... and I'm actually thinking of giving Opus Magellan II a try.

Djay · 25 March 2002, 04:03

Quote:

Amiga Forever 5 and installed OS 3.5 on top of that

i installed my own Workbench, as it's the one i had on my REAL amiga!!!

although, i've got AIAB (never really use it though)

25 March 2002, 04:09

I only wish I could afford a real kick ass amiga!

Mine is a sloppy A1260 with a bigfoot (sloooow) hdd.

Anyway, I'm off to try out C64 emulation inside the amiga emulation...

Minuous · 25 March 2002, 06:06

Huh? Your WinUAE setup is several times faster than a true '060 Amiga??!! What are you running it on, a 2Ghz Wintel box???

I get barely A500 speed on my P233, that's with sound turned off too.

By the way thanx for your C64 site, I've been linking to it for ages! :-)

Drake1009 · 25 March 2002, 07:33

I'm getting normal speeds (as long as no scrolling is involved) on my P4 1.7Ghz machine. Don't know if I tried to emulate an 060 if it'd be faster.

I too have visited your site quite a number of times. Quite a good database of C64 data on that site. Thumbs up

25 March 2002, 11:49

With properly configured JIT, it is possible to have a very fast system. My system is 14 times faster than a A4000 with 040 and 491 times faster than an A500/A600 but I still prefer the real thing

I have a simple 800mhz Athlon.

Bloodwych · 25 March 2002, 13:08

This is my 100th post so please forgive me as I’m going to rabbit on a bit (feels good to join the treble figure club although it’s taken me long enough :disgusted ). Next stop the quad-club (1000+) in 2010 perhaps.

JIT enabled WinUAE can really push some numbers. Here is a shot from my Duron 800@950, so goodness knows what an Athlon XP 1.6GHz+ will do:

20.59 times faster than an 040 25! Pushing nearly 400 MIPS!

Sysinfo thinks I've got a 400Mhz 040 fitted which can't be bad. Having such a fast Amiga system (all be it emulated) can have some real benefits if you have your PC and Amiga networked.

For example:

I rendered ALL 74 of the liberation wall maps in a couple of minutes on the 400Mhz 040!!!!!!!!!! I then copied the directory over to my real amiga for play. Total time including copying directory approx. 8 minutes.

Anyone who owns this game can tell you how long this normally takes on a real amiga - many many hours, especially on my A1200 020 14Mhz.

Like Burseg said above however, you "can't beat the real thing" (Copyright 2001 Akira) - even if my real 1200 is pushing only 2.5 MIPS it still feels better running software on it.

Hey Burseg, guess you didn't bother o/cing. Don't blame you, it can be a real hassle! Have you tried the new WinUAE? The above is 0.8.17R3, the 0.8.21R2 runs MUCH slower (4X) and the whole WB is sluggish as are demos such as "RiverHorse".

DJay, I'm with you man!!!! I've got AIAB (congrats James on a job well done) but never use it as it doesn't feel like the Amiga I know and love.

Instead I've got a setup using WB 3.1 and a few extra add-ons - it was copied across a parallel cable from my real Amiga so it's an exact replica apart from the extra RAM and super CPU. Normally I'll run full-screen scanlines, but for the sake of space here is a glimpse in normal mode:

Notice the wb essentials:

noclick - drive silencer, not needed on an emulated Amiga but what the hell it's an exact copy right?

Magic WB Hack - needs no introduction.

Magic Menu - as above.

Tools Daemon - Adds command lines/programs to your menus. VERY useful when linked with magic menu. Allows you to click on an icon and run multiview or ED for example. Or run your favourite archiver with a couple of right clicks.

SmartWB - speeds up screen updates.

TTManager - allows you to change icons properties very efficiently. Aother essential.

Icon image - drag and drop update of icons (.info files)

I had a few other hacks running (eg clicktofront), but they caused problems. The above are all fine, except magic menu causes DP-V screen corruption.

In fact I’m off to start another thread where people can suggest WB add-ons from Aminet. It would be great for newbies to read and get a decent WB up and running.

25 March 2002, 13:31

I just don't feel safe when overclocked Bloodwych. But your help on this subject is well appreciated.

25 March 2002, 16:46

Quote:

Originally posted by Minuous
Huh? Your WinUAE setup is several times faster than a true '060 Amiga??!! What are you running it on, a 2Ghz Wintel box??? :-)

I'm running on an AMD Athlon 1800+ with JIT emulation enabled, but ofcourse I perfer the real Amiga.

Dastardly · 25 March 2002, 17:58

Id like to say thanks for the C64 games too.

GREAT site!!

Minuous · 26 March 2002, 06:26

Hmm, this is interesting. I only have a P233 but I should be apparently be getting at least several times faster than an A4000, rather than crawling along (20 seconds to layout and draw a simple AmiDock dock, for example). I could do much more programming if my programs did not take 15 seconds to open their main window, etc...

I did try this JIT but it doesn't seem to work for me, I hear people saying how fast it is but I don't notice any increase? Perhaps someone should write something on how to set JIT up so it actually works.

Because when I tried it, it was so slow that I went back to using WinUAE 0.8.9. And, as I mentioned above, I get about A500 performance at best on that, so the performance of later WinUAEs is even worse on my system.

Bloodwych · 26 March 2002, 10:27

Minuous, that processor seems a little borderline for the newer WinUAE versions, but JIT should still give you better performance than normal modes.

How much RAM do you have in your PC? You'll need memory for the Amiga AND 4 MB for the JIT cache. You may have been allocating too much memory for your system to handle or not giving JIT a cache at all.

Give me your PC specs and the following:

Workbench Version?
Chipset you use (AGA, ECS, OCS) in Workbench?
Amiga RAM normally used in WinUAE (chip + fast) ?

.....and I'll place a copy of a JIT enabled WinUAE 0.8.17R3 in the zone setup and ready to go.

Minuous · 27 March 2002, 01:07

Quote:

Originally posted by Bloodwych
How much RAM do you have in your PC? You'll need memory for the Amiga AND 4 MB for the JIT cache. You may have been allocating too much memory for your system to handle or not giving JIT a cache at all.

Give me your PC specs and the following:

Workbench Version?
Chipset you use (AGA, ECS, OCS) in Workbench?
Amiga RAM normally used in WinUAE (chip + fast) ?

.....and I'll place a copy of a JIT enabled WinUAE 0.8.17R3 in the zone setup and ready to go.

IBM-PC specs: Pentium 233, 64Mb, 800x600
WB Version: OS3.9 with both Boing Bags
AGA chipset
Amiga RAM: 2Mb chip + 8Mb fast.

Amiga1992 · 27 March 2002, 02:23

Hey Kim! Welcome aboard!
though you should be using your 060, should be fast enough!

I'm happy with my 030@50 man, it beats using the Crapulator

Bloodwych · 27 March 2002, 20:05

Minuous, it's in the zone. Let us know how you got on.

Minuous · 28 March 2002, 05:14

Thanx heaps Bloodwych! I will run SysInfo tonight on my current setup and on the setup you have sent, and post the results.

25 March 2002, 03:43	#1
Kim_Lemon Posts: n/a	I just installed my new "Amiga". :) It's indeed several times faster than my real 060 Amiga. Woohoo! Btw, the link only works if you past it into a new browser window. www.lemon64.com/mywb2.jpg

25 March 2002, 11:49	#10
oldpx Posts: n/a	With properly configured JIT, it is possible to have a very fast system. My system is 14 times faster than a A4000 with 040 and 491 times faster than an A500/A600 but I still prefer the real thing I have a simple 800mhz Athlon. Attached Thumbnails

25 March 2002, 13:08	#11
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	This is my 100th post so please forgive me as I’m going to rabbit on a bit (feels good to join the treble figure club although it’s taken me long enough :disgusted ). Next stop the quad-club (1000+) in 2010 perhaps. JIT enabled WinUAE can really push some numbers. Here is a shot from my Duron 800@950, so goodness knows what an Athlon XP 1.6GHz+ will do: 20.59 times faster than an 040 25! Pushing nearly 400 MIPS! Sysinfo thinks I've got a 400Mhz 040 fitted which can't be bad. Having such a fast Amiga system (all be it emulated) can have some real benefits if you have your PC and Amiga networked. For example: I rendered ALL 74 of the liberation wall maps in a couple of minutes on the 400Mhz 040!!!!!!!!!! I then copied the directory over to my real amiga for play. Total time including copying directory approx. 8 minutes. Anyone who owns this game can tell you how long this normally takes on a real amiga - many many hours, especially on my A1200 020 14Mhz. Like Burseg said above however, you "can't beat the real thing" (Copyright 2001 Akira) - even if my real 1200 is pushing only 2.5 MIPS it still feels better running software on it. Hey Burseg, guess you didn't bother o/cing. Don't blame you, it can be a real hassle! Have you tried the new WinUAE? The above is 0.8.17R3, the 0.8.21R2 runs MUCH slower (4X) and the whole WB is sluggish as are demos such as "RiverHorse". DJay, I'm with you man!!!! I've got AIAB (congrats James on a job well done) but never use it as it doesn't feel like the Amiga I know and love. Instead I've got a setup using WB 3.1 and a few extra add-ons - it was copied across a parallel cable from my real Amiga so it's an exact replica apart from the extra RAM and super CPU. Normally I'll run full-screen scanlines, but for the sake of space here is a glimpse in normal mode: Notice the wb essentials: noclick - drive silencer, not needed on an emulated Amiga but what the hell it's an exact copy right? Magic WB Hack - needs no introduction. Magic Menu - as above. Tools Daemon - Adds command lines/programs to your menus. VERY useful when linked with magic menu. Allows you to click on an icon and run multiview or ED for example. Or run your favourite archiver with a couple of right clicks. SmartWB - speeds up screen updates. TTManager - allows you to change icons properties very efficiently. Aother essential. Icon image - drag and drop update of icons (.info files) I had a few other hacks running (eg clicktofront), but they caused problems. The above are all fine, except magic menu causes DP-V screen corruption. In fact I’m off to start another thread where people can suggest WB add-ons from Aminet. It would be great for newbies to read and get a decent WB up and running. Last edited by Bloodwych; 25 March 2002 at 13:28.

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25 March 2002, 03:45	#2
Djay 95th User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton/UK Age: 48 Posts: 3,120	thx for the C64 games, btw

25 March 2002, 03:54	#4
Djay 95th User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton/UK Age: 48 Posts: 3,120	i've leeched some stuff from your site, Big C64 fan you see, oh yeah and Amiga, never been on your forum, i might now thou! what did you use to install Workbench? (AIAB, Amiga Forever etc..)?

25 March 2002, 04:09	#7
Kim_Lemon Posts: n/a	I only wish I could afford a real kick ass amiga! Mine is a sloppy A1260 with a bigfoot (sloooow) hdd. Anyway, I'm off to try out C64 emulation inside the amiga emulation...

25 March 2002, 06:06	#8
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,631	Huh? Your WinUAE setup is several times faster than a true '060 Amiga??!! What are you running it on, a 2Ghz Wintel box??? I get barely A500 speed on my P233, that's with sound turned off too. By the way thanx for your C64 site, I've been linking to it for ages! :-)

25 March 2002, 07:33	#9
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	I'm getting normal speeds (as long as no scrolling is involved) on my P4 1.7Ghz machine. Don't know if I tried to emulate an 060 if it'd be faster. I too have visited your site quite a number of times. Quite a good database of C64 data on that site. Thumbs up

25 March 2002, 13:31	#12
oldpx Posts: n/a	I just don't feel safe when overclocked Bloodwych. But your help on this subject is well appreciated.

25 March 2002, 17:58	#14
Dastardly Into the Wonderful Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Age: 49 Posts: 2,335	Id like to say thanks for the C64 games too. GREAT site!!

26 March 2002, 06:26	#15
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,631	Hmm, this is interesting. I only have a P233 but I should be apparently be getting at least several times faster than an A4000, rather than crawling along (20 seconds to layout and draw a simple AmiDock dock, for example). I could do much more programming if my programs did not take 15 seconds to open their main window, etc... I did try this JIT but it doesn't seem to work for me, I hear people saying how fast it is but I don't notice any increase? Perhaps someone should write something on how to set JIT up so it actually works. Because when I tried it, it was so slow that I went back to using WinUAE 0.8.9. And, as I mentioned above, I get about A500 performance at best on that, so the performance of later WinUAEs is even worse on my system.

26 March 2002, 10:27	#16
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Minuous, that processor seems a little borderline for the newer WinUAE versions, but JIT should still give you better performance than normal modes. How much RAM do you have in your PC? You'll need memory for the Amiga AND 4 MB for the JIT cache. You may have been allocating too much memory for your system to handle or not giving JIT a cache at all. Give me your PC specs and the following: Workbench Version? Chipset you use (AGA, ECS, OCS) in Workbench? Amiga RAM normally used in WinUAE (chip + fast) ? .....and I'll place a copy of a JIT enabled WinUAE 0.8.17R3 in the zone setup and ready to go.

27 March 2002, 02:23	#18
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Hey Kim! Welcome aboard! though you should be using your 060, should be fast enough! I'm happy with my 030@50 man, it beats using the Crapulator

27 March 2002, 20:05	#19
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Minuous, it's in the zone. Let us know how you got on.

28 March 2002, 05:14	#20
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,631	Thanx heaps Bloodwych! I will run SysInfo tonight on my current setup and on the setup you have sent, and post the results.

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