Stop Interlace in AGA mode

andy_blah · 12 April 2007, 20:48

Hello,
I was playing several AGA games and I was wondering if interlace could be stopped as it really hurts my eyes.

Thanks in advance,
>-Andy-<

Toni Wilen · 12 April 2007, 22:50

Doubling removes flicker but combing can't be removed. (yet?)

andy_blah · 14 April 2007, 09:47

And can you explain me what that "doubling" means?

Thanks

Ironclaw · 14 April 2007, 10:28

I think he means you should display the games in double line mode.

ie, 640x480/double line mode

andy_blah · 14 April 2007, 13:40

That dosen`t seem to fix the flicker as Toni says

. And also double lines were set before

Thanks for the translation Ironclaw

Calgor · 14 April 2007, 14:54

Since PC Monitors don't flicker at the usual display modes, is this the artefacts in moving graphics produced in the interlaced modes?

Related to the option the Picasso IV has to remove them in its boot menu?

andy_blah · 17 August 2008, 11:44

it has passed quite some time from when I posted this, still it does not have any fix yet?

Also, please somebody fix the thread`s title as I meant "remove interlace" not "deinterlace"

alexh · 17 August 2008, 12:02

What games run in AGA interlaced screen modes?

Toni Wilen · 17 August 2008, 12:05

You can't "remove" it. It is hardware feature. You can try to "hide" it but it never can work 100%, there will be always some artifacts left.

andy_blah · 17 August 2008, 12:07

Ah, that`s too bad, since some games that have AGA mode are more fun.
So, how can I "hide" those laces other than doubling?

TCD · 17 August 2008, 12:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_blah

Ah, that`s too bad, since some games that have AGA mode are more fun.
So, how can I "hide" those laces other than doubling?

Like alexh asked : What games are we talking about?

andy_blah · 17 August 2008, 12:15

Well, for a start it can be for a start the RTG modes, or any other mode than the Amiga`s native one. Those games could start from A-Train and the list can be long, is it required for me to list all the games that use those modes?

TCD · 17 August 2008, 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_blah

Well, for a start it can be for a start the RTG modes, or any other mode than the Amiga`s native one. Those games could start from A-Train and the list can be long, is it required for me to list all the games that use those modes?

No, one example is enough. I just wanted to know which effect you are talking about. I think Sim Life has the same problem in AGA right?

Graham Humphrey · 17 August 2008, 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_blah

Also, please somebody fix the thread`s title as I meant "remove interlace" not "deinterlace"

Fixed

davideo · 17 August 2008, 14:17

I thought Lacer in the Tools drawer was supposed to assist with this problem.

Have you tried it?

Dave G

andy_blah · 17 August 2008, 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

I think Sim Life has the same problem in AGA right?

Seems to not have any problem here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Humphrey

Fixed

Thank-you

Quote:

Originally Posted by davideo

I thought Lacer in the Tools drawer was supposed to assist with this problem.

Have you tried it?

It may be a stupid question but should this be on the OS`s HDD?

davideo · 17 August 2008, 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_blah

It may be a stupid question but should this be on the OS`s HDD?

No more stupid than my original answer

Yes it should be on Workbench but then ATrain and a few other programs allow you to boot normally and so you should be able to run this prior to the program - I hope that makes sense because it doesn't to me

Dave G

TCD · 17 August 2008, 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_blah

Seems to not have any problem here.

Which version of A-Train do you use? I mean do you use WHDLoad or floppies? On planetemu there is only v1.0 and with A1200 quickstart it looks really fine. Does it only happen later in the game?

andy_blah · 17 August 2008, 19:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Which version of A-Train do you use? I mean do you use WHDLoad or floppies? On planetemu there is only v1.0 and with A1200 quickstart it looks really fine. Does it only happen later in the game?

It is installed from floppies (without WHDLoad, the WHDLoad does not have an AGA installer unfortunately), I don`t know what version and the location the floppies are tho...

I don`t quite understand what you mean about "later in the game".

Quote:

Originally Posted by davideo

Yes it should be on Workbench but then ATrain and a few other programs allow you to boot normally and so you should be able to run this prior to the program - I hope that makes sense because it doesn't to me

You mean "normal booting" as in booting without the HDDs? The rest is what I did not understand

davideo · 17 August 2008, 19:24

Oh dear - me and my explanations

Boot your Amiga as normal into Workbench. Locate Lacer in the Tools drawer. Run it.

Then insert your Atrain floppy and run the program from the floppy without rebooting your Amiga.

Is that any better?

Dave G

12 April 2007, 20:48	#1
andy_blah Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: /dev/null/ Posts: 69	Stop Interlace in AGA mode Hello, I was playing several AGA games and I was wondering if interlace could be stopped as it really hurts my eyes. Thanks in advance, >-Andy-< Last edited by andy_blah; 14 April 2007 at 14:39.

17 August 2008, 11:44	#7
andy_blah Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: /dev/null/ Posts: 69	it has passed quite some time from when I posted this, still it does not have any fix yet? Also, please somebody fix the thread`s title as I meant "remove interlace" not "deinterlace" Last edited by andy_blah; 17 August 2008 at 11:53.

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12 April 2007, 22:50	#2
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,506	Doubling removes flicker but combing can't be removed. (yet?)

14 April 2007, 09:47	#3
andy_blah Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: /dev/null/ Posts: 69	And can you explain me what that "doubling" means? Thanks

14 April 2007, 10:28	#4
Ironclaw Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: ... Age: 45 Posts: 3,313	I think he means you should display the games in double line mode. ie, 640x480/double line mode

14 April 2007, 13:40	#5
andy_blah Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: /dev/null/ Posts: 69	That dosen`t seem to fix the flicker as Toni says . And also double lines were set before Thanks for the translation Ironclaw

14 April 2007, 14:54	#6
Calgor (Amigas && Amigos)++ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anrea Posts: 999	Since PC Monitors don't flicker at the usual display modes, is this the artefacts in moving graphics produced in the interlaced modes? Related to the option the Picasso IV has to remove them in its boot menu?

17 August 2008, 12:02	#8
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,339	What games run in AGA interlaced screen modes?

17 August 2008, 12:05	#9
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,506	You can't "remove" it. It is hardware feature. You can try to "hide" it but it never can work 100%, there will be always some artifacts left.

17 August 2008, 12:07	#10
andy_blah Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: /dev/null/ Posts: 69	Ah, that`s too bad, since some games that have AGA mode are more fun. So, how can I "hide" those laces other than doubling?

17 August 2008, 12:15	#12
andy_blah Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: /dev/null/ Posts: 69	Well, for a start it can be for a start the RTG modes, or any other mode than the Amiga`s native one. Those games could start from A-Train and the list can be long, is it required for me to list all the games that use those modes?

17 August 2008, 14:17	#15
davideo Amiga Tomcat Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boston Lincs Posts: 1,500	I thought Lacer in the Tools drawer was supposed to assist with this problem. Have you tried it? Dave G

17 August 2008, 19:24	#20
davideo Amiga Tomcat Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boston Lincs Posts: 1,500	Oh dear - me and my explanations Boot your Amiga as normal into Workbench. Locate Lacer in the Tools drawer. Run it. Then insert your Atrain floppy and run the program from the floppy without rebooting your Amiga. Is that any better? Dave G

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