Ambermoon

[alexh]

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

I have found the answer. Amberworld tool is buggy

I believe prophesore was asking questions about Ambermoon game-play and not really asking about tools (other than mention how he had peeked inside the game). No?

It was my undertanding prophesore just wants to know where/how to trigger these texts he's found by actually playing the game?

And if they do not appear in the original v1.07 English version through normal game-play... Why not?

[dlfrsilver]

Those must appears, if i remember well, i got them when i beat luminor. You can make your character talk with the other ones, and i remember clearly that Sabine is thanking you.... Strange...

[prophesore]

Missing texts is more to the forest moon.

Brog no thanks to the release of Dorina.

"YOU KNOW ABOUT MY LOVE FOR MAGIC. WHAT A SHAME THAT SO FEW OF THE PEOPLE HERE FEEL THE SAME!" "HOW HAPPY I WOULD BE IF DORINA RETURNED TO US!" "MY FRIENDS, MY PLEASURE ABOUT DORINA RETURNING TO US IS AT LEAST AS GREAT AS KIRE'S! AND HOW SHE HAS DEVELOPED HER TALENTS! TREMENDOUSLY WELL! AS I HEARD, YOU HAD A FEW PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF THAT ..."

Drongeb not say

"DOREB, THE LANDLORD OF DOR KIREDON, ACTUALLY SUCCEEDED IN BREWING AN ENJOYABLE TYPE OF ALE FROM THE PLANTS GROWING AROUND HERE. WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED?"

Gorban (patient) not say (You need to cure it but how?)

"I OWE HIM MY LIFE! I AND MY FAMILY ARE DEEP IN HIS DEBT."

Ketnar not say

"LOOK AROUND HERE! REMEMBER THAT YOU WILL LIVE ON THIS WORLD FOR THE REST OF YOUR DAYS! NEW PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS WELCOME HERE IF THEY ARE PREPARED TO LEARN INSTEAD OF FIGHTING BLINDLY."

In Dor Grestin no one person. There should be seven people plus Darla. There are 6 - says she text

~INK 30~ THE DWARF GIRL IS RATHER BRUSQUE AND SAYS ONLY:^ ~INK 31~ "GREETINGS, TRAVELLERS FROM THE LARGE PEOPLE!

The rest of the text conversations with people I discovered by combining in different ways, and these to me are missing. For this, as discussed earlier where the use of the words "test" and once "needle" because I found the rest of destiny. There are many texts that do not show as well as I wrote before, but they are not important.

The number of words and texts did not know, only decrypted files
helped me. The most surprised by the words that you can use in conversation with Rinakles which are the names of characters from the game Dragonflight.

Alexh if a walkthrough of michael boenisch you have not anything about this injury. I wanted to make my walkthrough of the talks, but no one knows it's hard.

A text does not say Sandra!

[alexh]

Originally Posted by prophesore

as discussed earlier where are the use of the words "test" and once "needle" because I found uses for the rest.

"NEEDLE" is the answer to one of the riddle mouths at the four corners of The elven city of Illien which is located at [376,277]

"TEST" I think is used in Spannenburg through the cellar of the Limping Rogue Inn at the Thieves Guild and relates to asking questions about "The test of thieves".

Originally Posted by prophesore

I wanted to make my walkthrough using the game text.

Very cool. The walkthrough I have which was written exclusively for the Thalion Webshrine by Michael Böhnisch does not use the actual text of the game.

[dlfrsilver]

True for test and needle

[alexh]

Who (the name of the NPC) do you actually ask the word "TEST" to? I don't have that written down.

[dlfrsilver]

When you're in the guild of thieve, i remember someone speaks to you about the tests. You can also use the word TEST with the thieves inside the guilde.

[alexh]

Yeah now I'm remembering.. I think you get different answers from different people at the thieves guild.

[prophesore]

People in the thieves guild just say, you can not talk to them. The word "test" written on the plate and tells them a thief. Aman at the top does not respond to it, even a stone head.

"test" may be the secret word, such as "tempus fugit." I checked all the people - the word appears in the dictionary but no one answered. Can any stone head will react but I doubt it.

The word "needle" found in dictionary.english twice - it looks in the order of "NOSENEEDLEMIRRORRINGNEEDLETESTCONCERNSHARP" NOSE? NEEDLE? MIRROR? RING? NEEDLE? TEST? CONCERNS? HARP?" - The words used in Illien.
In illien are 3 people - Baron pelani, leonaria and music master - no reaction to the "test" - even after buying harp.

In dictionary.german two times the word "nadel" - looks like this -
NASENéHNADELSPIEGELREIFNADELTESTSORGENHARFE
NASE? NéHNADEL? SPIEGEL? REIF? NADEL? TEST? SORGEN? HARFE? - can "NéHNADEL" (Nähnadel) is the same as NADEL as a response to the stone head.
Unfortunately, the German version is only the word "nadel". I think that the keyboard is going to enter somehow the letter "ä".

As for the missing texts thought dlfrsilver the translation checked to display all text, and will be able to answer me.

This may be errors in the English version. I will start the game in the German version, it may explain something.

I have a question

how to use the spell "flight". after use, nothing happens and there are no fewer magic points.

What healing spell "change dust." I checked the dead for various reasons and nothing.

Use a shovel where

[dlfrsilver]

indeed..... do you still have a save where you meet the thieves (i had to erase mine....) ?
I will test this for you

[alexh]

Originally Posted by prophesore

The word "needle" is found in dictionary.english twice

I thought that words could not appear in the dictionary twice? There was a previous bugfix where RING appeared twice in the english version and we had to change one to 'LOST RING' so that you could answer the riddlemouth in the SW corner of Illien. I know you are able to answer the riddlemouths in all four corners of Illien with this applied fix. So the second NEEDLE must be for a different place. Or no-where.

That means that the other use for the word NEEDLE is probably broken in the English version. If it exists at all.

Originally Posted by prophesore

- it looks in the order of "NOSENEEDLEMIRRORRINGNEEDLETESTCONCERNSHARP" NOSE? NEEDLE? MIRROR? RING? NEEDLE? TEST? CONCERNS? HARP?" - The words used in Illien. In Illien are 3 people - Baron Pelani, Leonaria and music master - no reaction to the "test" - even after buying harp.

I don't know if the order in the dictionary has anything to do with geographical locations?

Originally Posted by prophesore

Use a shovel where

I don't know. Sorry. I know there are at least two in the game. One you get from exchanging the golden horseshoes. The other you find in a chest. There may be more. Can you sell them?

[prophesore]

As discussed below in dictionary.german is "nadel" and "nahnadel". Rather, they are synonymous words, as in a conversation with Baron Pelani the word "curse" and "Concerns" is the same answer.

As for me, "needle" is now explained. And since the German version of "nahnadel" does not work, probably a mistake.

I mean where you need a shovel. Pick-axe and Crowbar can be put in the hands, not Shovel. You can sell all three, unless shovel is a useless gift from Tolimar the stables in Spannenberg.

Another question

The files am2_blit and am2_cpu are the same thing. There are nearly 400, I found all but one. This is the "Magical Map", the study of other things I deduced that it has an infinite number of a spell - probably Mystical Mapping. You've heard of such a thing.

"tool" must not be used in Illien, words in the dictionary are sometimes confused.

[alexh]

Originally Posted by prophesore

The files am2_blit and am2_cpu are the same thing.

One uses the blitter to draw the gfx on unaccelerated Amiga's the other uses the CPU when it is faster than the blitter.

Originally Posted by prophesore

There are nearly 400 items and I found all but one. This is the "Magical Map", the study of other things I deduced that it has an infinite number of a spell - probably Mystical Mapping. You've heard of such a thing.

Hmmm... The only MAP item I remember is the one you're given right at the start by NPC Michael Hellmich who by the way did the artwork for the game.

Originally Posted by prophesore

"tool" must not be used in Illien, words in the dictionary are sometimes confused.

Tool? Or Test?

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by alexh

I thought that words could not appear in the dictionary twice? There was a previous bugfix where RING appeared twice in the english version and we had to change one to 'LOST RING' so that you could answer the riddlemouth in the SW corner of Illien. I know you able to answer the riddlemouths in all four corners of Illien with this applied fix.

That means that the other use for the word NEEDLE is probably broken in the English version. If it exists at all.

indeed. there are 2 needle type.

When i have translated the game dictionary in french, i had to resolve another 'bug'.

- needle
- sewing needle

-Sewing Needle in french is aiguille à coudre'
-Needle in french is 'aiguille'


The dictionary, if i remember well, has 2 times needle.

I don't know if the order in the dictionary has anything to do with geographical locations?

Yes sort of. it has indeed a logic order about the locations.

.BONJOUR (grand-père, maison de grand-père)
.VIN (grand-père, maison de grand-père)
.EFFONDREMENT (grand-père, maison de grand-père)
.OUTILS (Tolimar, Ecuries de Tolimar)
.GUILDE DES VOLEURS (Aman, Auberge du bandit boiteux)
.BANDITS (Aman, Auberge du bandit boiteux ; Baron George)
.OBJET (Aman, Auberge du bandit boiteux)
.SOIE (Aman, Auberge du bandit boiteux)
.PARC DE LA VILLE (Otram, parc de la ville)
.VOYAGE (Otram, parc de la ville)
.NEWLAKE (Otram, parc de la ville)
.CONFRERIE (Otram, parc de la ville)
.ANTIDOTE (Père Antoine, Demeure des guérisseurs)
.MATOU (Sandra, Demeure des guérisseurs)
.FILLE (Sandra, Demeure des guérisseurs)
.SABINE (Sandra, Demeure des guérisseurs)
.BURNVILLE (Sandra, Demeure des guérisseurs)
.CHAT (Sandra, Demeure des guérisseurs)
.FELIX (Sandra, Demeure des guérisseurs)
.SANDRA (Clementine, Demeure des guérisseurs)
.CAVE (Clementine, Demeure des guérisseurs)
.FOU (Clementine, Demeure des guérisseurs)
.ORCS (Baron george, Spannenberg)
.PROBLEMES (Baron george, Spannenberg)
.FEES (Dame Heidi, Spannenberg)
.FEE (Dame Heidi, Spannenberg)
.CHEVAUX (Tolimar, Ecuries de Tolimar)
.MAIN D'ARGENT (Baron George, Spannenberg)
.COUPES A VIN (Canth & Nornael, Hôtel de ville 2)
.TERRE NATALE (Donner, Dor Kiredon ; rinakles, gadlon)
.DESTIN (Donner, Dor Kiredon)
.AUBERGE (Doreb, Dor Kiredon)
.DORINA (Kire, Doreb, Brog, ketnar, Dor Kiredon)
.BIERE (Doreb, Dor Kiredon)
.CHAMBRE (Doreb, Dor Kiredon)
.DOR GRESTIN (Darbog, Dor Kiredon ; Leira, Drongeb Dor Grestin)
.MAGIE (Brog, Dor Kiredon ; Asrub, Dor Grestin ; aderin, rinakles, gadlon)
.DOR KIREDON ?
.TORNAK (Storgat, Gorban, Gadrin, Dor Kiredon)
.OEUF DE TORNAK ?
.OEUF ?
.CLE (storgat, Dor Kiredon)
.MINE (storgat, Gorban, Dor Kiredon)
.AMBRE ?
.KIRE (Leira, Ketnar, Dor Grestin)
.MOT CLE ?
.TERRINES (Drongeb, Dor Grestin)
.ARBRE (Ketnar, Dor Grestin)
.SYLPHES (Sariel, Grotte Sylphes)
.SOEUR (Sariel, Grotte Sylphes)
.OKNARD (Sariel, Grotte Sylphes)
.SARIEL ?
.MAGICIEN ?
.SPHERE CLE (Nelvin, Tour alchimiste)
.ANNEAU (Alkem, Tour alchimiste)
.BIBLIOTHEQUE (Nelvin, Tour alchimiste)
.BOUTIQUE (Nelvin, Tour alchimiste)
.KETNAR (Kire Dor Kiredon)
.VOYAGES ?
.DEUIL (Ferrin, Dor Kiredon)
.CAVE DE STOCKAGE (Ferrin, Dor Kiredon)
.PORTE (Gadrin, Mine expérimentale)
.CARTOGRAPHIE (Michael Hellmich, Maison des artistes)
.ARTISTE PEINTRE (Dieter Rottermund, Maison des artistes)
.MOTS MAGIQUES (? , Snakesign)
.SCHISME (ketnar, Dor Grestin ; Arbre de Dorina)
.TEMPUS FUGIT ?
.ANNEAUX ?
.REPARATION ?
.MALEDICTION (Pelanis, Illien)
.AMULETTE (Valdyn, Tour de Luminor)
.PATIENT (asrub, Dor Grestin)
.FRERE (Gorban, Dor Grestin)
.BROG ?
.TOUR (Lebab, Tour de Lebab)
.DREK (Lebab, Tour de Lebab)
.HERBES (asrub, Dor Grestin)
.ENVOLES (Casse-Pied aka BORE, Gemstone)
.DONNER (Casse-Pied aka BORE, Gemstone)
.JOYAU VERT (Casse-Pied aka BORE, Gemstone)
.PROBLEME (Bralum, Cite des Gnomes)
.NERA (Bralum, Cite des Gnomes)
.KAY (Garde Forestier, Hutte foret)
.BETE (Garde Forestier, Hutte foret)
.XENOBILE (Garde Forestier, Hutte foret)
.ECOLE (aderin, gadlon)
.GADLON (rinakles, gadlon)
.SALLES D'ENTRAINEMENT (bellard, gadlon)
.RINAKLES (bellard, gadlon)
.DRAGONS (rinakles, gadlon)
.BLADUS (rinakles, gadlon)
.ANDARIEL (rinakles, gadlon)
.DOBRANUR (rinakles, gadlon)
.DAMBRANO (rinakles, gadlon)
.HALFTON (rinakles, gadlon)
.NETALDUR (rinakles, gadlon)
.NEZ (enigme illien 1)
.AIGUILLE A COUDRE (enigme Illien 4-1)
.MIROIR (enigme Illien 2)
.ANNEAU (enigme Illien 3)
.AIGUILLE (enigme Illien 4-2)
.TEST ?
.INQUIETUDES (Pelanis, Illien)
.HARPE (Maitre Matthias, Illien)
.BROM (Kire, Dor Kiredon)
.LEZARD DE COURSE (Vendeur lezard, Morag)
.242 (Palais de S'Arin)
.301 (Palais de S'Arin)
.MORAG (Enigme, Morag)
.ANTOINE (Enigme, Tour de l'achimiste)
.PERE ANTOINE (Wat le Pecheur, Hotel de ville 1)
.GRYBAN (Pelanis, Illien)
.ENNUIS ?
.CLE DE LA CRYPTE (Alkem, Tour de l'alchimiste)
.RUINES (ketnar, Dor Grestin)


I don't know. Sorry. I know there are at least two in the game. One you get from exchanging the golden horseshoes. The other you find in a chest. There may be more. Can you sell them?[/QUOTE]

[alexh]

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

The dictionary, if i remember well, has 2 times needle.
.AIGUILLE (enigme Illien 4-1)
.AIGUILLE (enigme Illien 4-2)

The first use of the word Needle is the riddlemouth in Illien.

The 2nd use of the word Needle happens where?

[dlfrsilver]

Oups sorry ! it's AIGUILLE A COUDRE or AIGUILLE.

It seems the authors have given us 2 possibilities.

[TCD]

Just to clear it up: Nähnadel = sewing needle, while Nadel = needle
So I'd say that dlfrsilver's translation is more 'correct' than the shortend English one.

[dlfrsilver]

Thanks TCD One can say i have not spent 6 months on this game for nothing

[prophesore]

For some of the words as responsible for the second time (*2) other texts.
Sometimes after completing the task, such as the release dorina. Equal sign indicates that the same answer.

242-riddlemouth
301-riddlemouth
amber-gadrin*2
amulet-valdyn
andariel-rinakles
anthony=father anthony-riddlemouth
antidote-father anthony*2,wat the fisher
artist-dieter*2
bandits-aman,egil
beast-norel*2
beer-doreb
bladus-rinakles
brog-asrub
brom-kire*2
brother-asrub*2
brotherhood-otram
burnville-sandra
cartography-michael*2
cat-sandra
cave-in-grandfather
cellar-clementine
concerns-pelani
crypt key-baron karsten*2
curse-pelani,valdyn
dambrano-rinakles
daughter-clementine,ferrin,sandra*2,wat the fisher
dobranur-rinakles
donner-bore*2
dor grestin-darla,drongeb*2,ketnar,leira
dor kiredon-brog
dorina-brog,doreb*2,ketnar*2,kire*2
dragons-rinakles
drek-lebab
egg-darbog,ketnar
fairies-baron george,lady heidi*2
fairy-baron george,lady heidi*2
fate-donner*2
father anthony=anthony-riddlemouth
felix-sandra
flown away-bore
gadlon-rinakles*2
gate-gadrin*2
green jewel-bore
gryban-riddlemouth
halfton-rinakles
harp-matthias
hello-grandfather*2
herbs-asrub*2
home-donner*2,rinakles*2
horses-tolimar
inn-doreb
journey-otram
kay-norel
ketnar-darla*2
key-kire*2,storgat*2
kire-dorina,ketnar*2,leira*2
library-alkem
madman-clementine*2
mage-nelvin
magic-aderin,asrub*2,bellard,brog
magic words-milzor
mine-gadrin*2,gorban*2,storgat*2
mirror-riddlemouth
morag-riddlemouth
mourning-ferrin*2
needle-riddlemouth
nera-bralum
netaldur-rinakles
newlake-otram
nose-riddlemouth
oknard-riddlemouth
orcs-egil
pastries-drongeb
patient-asrub*2
problem-bralum*2
problems-baron george
repairs-theresa
riding lizard-sreli*2
rinakles-bellard*2
ring-alkem*2
rings-theresa
room-doreb
ruins-ketnar*2
sabine-clementine,sandra*2
sandra-clementine
sariel-selena
schnism-milzor
school-aderin*2,rinakles*2
shop-alkem
silk-riddlemouth
silverhand-sally
sister-sariel
sphere of opening-nelvin
storage cellar-ferrin*2
sylph-sariel
tempus fugit-milzor
test-?
thieves guild-aman
thing-aman
tomcat-sandra
tools-tolimar
tornak-darbog,gadrin*2,gorban*2,ketnar,storgat*2
tornak egg-darbog,ketnar
tower-lebab
town park-otram
training rooms-bellard*2
travels-darla*2
tree-ketnar
trouble-baron karsten
wine-riddlemouth
wine goblets-canth,norlael
word of opening-ketnar
xenobil-norel


aderin (gadlon)-magic,school*2
alkem (alchemist tower)-library,ring*2,shop
aman (inn in Spannenberg)-bandits,thieves guild,thing
asrub (dor grestin)-brog=brother*2,herbs*2,magic*2,patient*2
baron george (spannenberg)-fairies=fairy,problems
baron karsten (palace in Newlake)-crypt key*2,trouble
bellard (gadlon)-rinakles*2,magic,training rooms*2
bore (gemstone)-donner*2,flown away,green jewel
bralum (cave gnomes)-nera,problem*2
brog (dor kiredon)-dor kiredon,dorina,magic
canth (city hall 2)-wine goblets
clementine (spannenberg)-cellar,daughter=sabine,madman*2
darbog (dor kiredon)-dor grestin,egg=tornak egg,tornak
darla (dor grestin)-dor grestin,ketnar*2,travels*2
dieter (burnville)-artist*2
donner (dor kiredon)-fate*2,home*2
doreb (dor kiredon)-beer,dorina*2,inn*2,room
dorina (dor kiredon)-kire-after returning (only?)
drongeb (dor grestin)-dor grestin*2,pastries
father anthony (spannenberg)-antidote*2
ferrin (dor kiredon)-mourning*2,storage cellar*2-before returning daughter + daughter-after return daughter
gadrin (dor kiredon)-amber*2,gate*2,mine*2,tornak*2
gorban (dor grestin)-mine*2,tornak*2
grandfather-cave-in,hello*2,
ketnar (dor grestin)-dor grestin,dorina*2,egg=tornak egg,kire*2,tornak,ruins*2,tree,word of opening
kire (dor kiredon)-brom*2,dorina*2,key*2
lady heidi (spannenberg)-fairies=fairy*2
lebab (lebab tower)-drek,tower
leira (dor grestin)-dor grestin,kire*2
matthias (burnville)-harp
michael (burnville)-cartography*2
milzor (burnville)-magic words,schnism,tempus fugit
norel (forester's cottage)-beast*2,kay,xenobil
norlael (city hall 2)-wine goblets
otram (spannenberg)-brotherhood,journey,newlake,town park
pelani (palace in illien)-concerns=curse
rinakles (gadlon)-andariel,dambrano,dobranur,bladus,dragons,gadlon=school*2,halfton,home*2,netaldur
sally (city hall 1)-silverhand
sandra (spannenberg)-burnville,cat=tomcat,daughter=sabine*2,felix
sariel (sylph cave)-sister,sylph
sreli (morag)-riding lizard*2
storgat (dor kiredon)-key*2,mine*2,tornak*2
theresa (burnville)-repairs,rings
tolimar (spannenberg)-horses,tools
wat the fisher (city hall 1)-antidote,daughter

captain torle-nothing
madman-nothing
nagier-nothing
necros-nothing
sandire-nothing
sgoldar-nothing
skrel-nothing
sriel-nothing

egil-bandits,orcs
nelvin-mage,sphere of opening
selena-sariel
valdyn-curse,amulet

Some have entered the password I need to check, for example, "gryban" in an interview with pelani. Bibliotheque and boutique say Alkem. Frere say asrub. Compare with my text, you may have other errors.

Originally Posted by alexh

Tool? Or Test?

test

[dlfrsilver]

about Pelanis' concerns, he has "concerns" about sansrie, due to the threat she said to him. The curse is coming after. Sansrie has set a "curse" on the eagles, which you must clear out with her blood