C64 tapes were protected ?

01 June 2009, 18:57

I found this

http://intros.c64.org/

a collection of c64 crackintros

It means a normal tape can have some kind of protection ?

TCD · 01 June 2009, 19:04

Erm, what does the site have to do with protected tapes? Nonetheless I don't think that there was any physical protection on tapes.

killergorilla · 01 June 2009, 19:05

Erm, because they are CRACK intros, you don't need to crack something that isn't protected

dlfrsilver · 01 June 2009, 19:06

i guess it's like zx spectrum or amstrad cpc tapes. they got protection schemes

StingRay · 01 June 2009, 19:08

Of course there were copyprotected C64 games on tape. Nothing special about that. "Cracked from tape by xxx" was a common phrase in the intros back then.

Sensi · 01 June 2009, 19:10

Speccy games were cracked too

Some of them ask for particular word from the manual and this "tape" protection was some kind of "coded loaders," after copying they didnt work.

TCD · 01 June 2009, 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

Erm, because they are CRACK intros, you don't need to crack something that isn't protected

Didn't see any note about it being tape cracktros. Interesting that there were copy protections on tapes though.

keropi · 01 June 2009, 19:17

yeah, I too did not knew there was tape copy protection...

Retro-Nerd · 01 June 2009, 19:18

The most c64 tapes used a custom recording format, with a special loader. You can transfer it to disk, but you still have to crack the game.

Sensi · 01 June 2009, 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Didn't see any note about it being tape cracktros. Interesting that there were copy protections on tapes though.

Not on tapes, loaders were copy protected, you can copy original tape but it dont work without good crack.

edit : Complex loaders with unusual speeds or encoding were the basis of the ZX Spectrum copy protection schemes, although other methods were used including asking for a particular word from the documentation included with the game (wiki)
it was or very similaro for other systems

TCD · 01 June 2009, 19:20

Just to make that clear : Does that mean it couldn't be copied to another tape?

@Sensi
Ah, thanks

WayneK · 01 June 2009, 19:20

They were quite often heavily protected, I guess so that they could also sell the disk version (for a higher price). Many games used "off the shelf" systems just like Rob Northen Copylock on Amiga/ST (cyberload on c64, speedlock on ZX/Cpc). So of course they were released on disk by crackers, after transferring the files from tape and replacing the loaders (and adding crack intro/trainer

).

WayneK · 01 June 2009, 19:21

Yes it could be copied to another tape, more often than not. Some loaders used such high baudrates that cheap tapes/recorders wouldn't copy the signals accurately enough, but most of the time it was no problem to copy a tape (so I heard...)

Retro1234 · 01 June 2009, 19:24

How did the loader work? - The tape decks were basic
Wernt Floppys more common in N America than tapes?

Galahad/FLT · 01 June 2009, 19:25

On the BBC B all you needed was a tape to tape copier, sorted!

Sensi · 01 June 2009, 19:30

It doesnt have anything to do with tapes or recorders i think.

The copy protection (data) just precluded to load tha data to computer and back on tape (unchanged and working).

Why Amiga games which dont ask you for a word from manual are cracked?

Retro1234 · 01 June 2009, 19:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sensi

It doesnt have anything to do with tapes or recorders i think.

The copy protection (data) just precluded to load tha data to computer and back on tape (unchanged and working).

Could you copy these games with a Tape to Tape Deck?

Sensi · 01 June 2009, 19:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

Could you copy these games with a Tape to Tape Deck?

The quality is poor then but some people used this way. But with already cracked games (and the results were horrible, a lot of loading errors).

edit - here is more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum_software

AmigaFriend · 01 June 2009, 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Nonetheless I don't think that there was any physical protection on tapes.

Yes there was. The k7's copy protection tab was cut.

Nothing you couldn't fix with tape if the game was crap anyway.

On Spectrum I remember to copy a certain game to tape i needed to use a special software copy tool (now i don't remember the name). But nonetheless 98% of original game k7s were copied without any anything more special than two decks.

dlfrsilver · 01 June 2009, 19:42

Well to say the least, on CPC tapes, speedlocks have a weak point, making them easy to crack. I have done 98% of the Ocean Software CPC games tape versions, using speedlocks 0 to 7 and all of them can be done with no hassle.

But copying from tape to tape really not easy, because of the volume use when mastered, and also some noise, making them really hard to copy OK.

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01 June 2009, 19:04	#2
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,525	Erm, what does the site have to do with protected tapes? Nonetheless I don't think that there was any physical protection on tapes.

01 June 2009, 19:05	#3
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Erm, because they are CRACK intros, you don't need to crack something that isn't protected

01 June 2009, 19:06	#4
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	i guess it's like zx spectrum or amstrad cpc tapes. they got protection schemes

01 June 2009, 19:08	#5
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,863	Of course there were copyprotected C64 games on tape. Nothing special about that. "Cracked from tape by xxx" was a common phrase in the intros back then.

01 June 2009, 19:10	#6
Sensi Unregistered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 1,643	Speccy games were cracked too Some of them ask for particular word from the manual and this "tape" protection was some kind of "coded loaders," after copying they didnt work.

01 June 2009, 19:17	#8
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	yeah, I too did not knew there was tape copy protection...

01 June 2009, 19:18	#9
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,436	The most c64 tapes used a custom recording format, with a special loader. You can transfer it to disk, but you still have to crack the game.

01 June 2009, 19:20	#11
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,525	Just to make that clear : Does that mean it couldn't be copied to another tape? @Sensi Ah, thanks

01 June 2009, 19:20	#12
WayneK Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Somewhere secret Age: 50 Posts: 364	They were quite often heavily protected, I guess so that they could also sell the disk version (for a higher price). Many games used "off the shelf" systems just like Rob Northen Copylock on Amiga/ST (cyberload on c64, speedlock on ZX/Cpc). So of course they were released on disk by crackers, after transferring the files from tape and replacing the loaders (and adding crack intro/trainer ).

01 June 2009, 19:21	#13
WayneK Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Somewhere secret Age: 50 Posts: 364	Yes it could be copied to another tape, more often than not. Some loaders used such high baudrates that cheap tapes/recorders wouldn't copy the signals accurately enough, but most of the time it was no problem to copy a tape (so I heard...)

01 June 2009, 19:24	#14
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	How did the loader work? - The tape decks were basic Wernt Floppys more common in N America than tapes?

01 June 2009, 19:25	#15
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,986	On the BBC B all you needed was a tape to tape copier, sorted!

01 June 2009, 19:30	#16
Sensi Unregistered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 1,643	It doesnt have anything to do with tapes or recorders i think. The copy protection (data) just precluded to load tha data to computer and back on tape (unchanged and working). Why Amiga games which dont ask you for a word from manual are cracked?

01 June 2009, 19:42	#20
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	Well to say the least, on CPC tapes, speedlocks have a weak point, making them easy to crack. I have done 98% of the Ocean Software CPC games tape versions, using speedlocks 0 to 7 and all of them can be done with no hassle. But copying from tape to tape really not easy, because of the volume use when mastered, and also some noise, making them really hard to copy OK.

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