What no Amiga E?!?

06 May 2014, 13:05

Suprised to see no mention of the Wouters excellent Amiga E language on here? Simple language, blazing fast compiler, advanced features (for its time!), fully open source, loads of example code...

http://strlen.com/amiga-e

Was certainly my preferred language of choice back in the day!

Lonewolf10 · 06 May 2014, 23:19

There are lots of languages on every computer. Amiga E may have been mentioned in a poll we had a while back regarding suggestions on how to sub-divide the coders sub-forum.
I'm sure there are a few Amiga E threads dotted about the "coders.general" sub-forum.

Apollo · 26 May 2014, 14:28

I did use AmigaE back in the day and it was my favourite high-level language after I gave up Modula-2.

Interesting link:

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I wrote the entire thing in assembly language, which will always persist in my mind as the craziest software engineering exercise I have ever gone through (400kb of mostly uncommented assembly in a single source file, for a complex compiler).

Retro1234 · 27 May 2014, 13:48

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Thorham · 27 May 2014, 14:12

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Originally Posted by Tirinoarim

Suprised to see no mention of the Wouters excellent Amiga E language on here?

It's probably not everyone's cup of tea, what with the uppercase keywords (the horror!).

Cammy · 27 May 2014, 15:50

I love Amiga E, I use it to program little Workbench utilities and games for myself.

nogginthenog · 28 May 2014, 21:40

In 1993/1994 I was living as a student in the Netherlands when I first found AmigaE. I had internet access at work which was pretty cool. At the time it was great because of the insanely fast compilation times (dual floppy only A500!).

I wrote a program that took an AmigaE executable and its source code, scanned for PROCs and injected debug info into the executable.

The debug info could be used in debuggers like MonAm or more importantly profiling tools (AProf?).

Pretty crazy really, the tool scanned for patterns in the executable that E used for functions. Later versions of E included debug info.

Samurai_Crow · 20 February 2016, 10:18

There are AmigaE forums on http://amigacoding.de but only PortablE and AmigaE under Aros 68k so far.

rare_j · 20 February 2016, 15:19

It looks fast and easy to use. One of the features is inline assembler. Does anyone use Amiga e for programming games? If not, why not? Why do people choose Blitz or Amos instead?

idrougge · 20 February 2016, 16:43

Because AMOS and Blitz let you actually do things with the hardware without touching the hardware.

Samurai_Crow · 21 February 2016, 07:47

The E runtimes are not different enough from C mostly.

idrougge · 21 February 2016, 15:20

Exactly.

rare_j · 22 February 2016, 01:01

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Originally Posted by Samurai_Crow

The E runtimes are not different enough from C mostly.

Is it easier to get into and use than C?

Samurai_Crow · 22 February 2016, 05:16

Yes.

Thorham · 22 February 2016, 17:13

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Originally Posted by Samurai_Crow

Yes.

Except for the horrible UPPERCASE keywords

Or am I missing something?

Leffmann · 22 February 2016, 17:43

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Originally Posted by rare_j

Is it easier to get into and use than C?

I think that just like with machine language, the main thing that throws people off with C is the messy syntax, and in C it's always the abundance of parantheses, semicolons, and curly braces. It just looks difficult to learn.

Programs written in C, E, Basic, Amos, Blitz, and other structured, imperative programming languages look very much the same once you look past and ignore the syntax fluff.

(and yes, some languages come with great standard libraries and lots of stuff built in, and for the ones that don't you can usually find what you need on the Internet.)

alkis · 22 February 2016, 18:48

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Originally Posted by rare_j

Is it easier to get into and use than C?

Nope. You can't beat C when you are searching the web to get ideas of how a thing is done.

meynaf · 22 February 2016, 18:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorham

Except for the horrible UPPERCASE keywords

Or am I missing something?

No big deal if it's converted automatically (i.e. it allows you to type lowercase).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leffmann

I think that just like with machine language, the main thing that throws people off with C is the messy syntax, and in C it's always the abundance of parantheses, semicolons, and curly braces. It just looks difficult to learn.

Still, this makes C quite a pain to read IMO.
Anyway, the main problem is rarely the language itself, but the mess that's made with it

rare_j · 22 February 2016, 23:41

Thanks all for the answers.

idrougge · 23 February 2016, 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorham

Except for the horrible UPPERCASE keywords

Or am I missing something?

What's horrible about that?

06 May 2014, 13:05	#1
Tirinoarim Posts: n/a	What no Amiga E?!? Suprised to see no mention of the Wouters excellent Amiga E language on here? Simple language, blazing fast compiler, advanced features (for its time!), fully open source, loads of example code... http://strlen.com/amiga-e Was certainly my preferred language of choice back in the day!

06 May 2014, 23:19	#2
Lonewolf10 AMOS Extensions Developer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: near Cambridge, UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,924	There are lots of languages on every computer. Amiga E may have been mentioned in a poll we had a while back regarding suggestions on how to sub-divide the coders sub-forum. I'm sure there are a few Amiga E threads dotted about the "coders.general" sub-forum.

27 May 2014, 13:48	#4
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	[ Show youtube player ]

27 May 2014, 15:50	#6
Cammy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tasmania, Australia Age: 39 Posts: 1,189	I love Amiga E, I use it to program little Workbench utilities and games for myself.

28 May 2014, 21:40	#7
nogginthenog Amigan Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: London Posts: 1,309	In 1993/1994 I was living as a student in the Netherlands when I first found AmigaE. I had internet access at work which was pretty cool. At the time it was great because of the insanely fast compilation times (dual floppy only A500!). I wrote a program that took an AmigaE executable and its source code, scanned for PROCs and injected debug info into the executable. The debug info could be used in debuggers like MonAm or more importantly profiling tools (AProf?). Pretty crazy really, the tool scanned for patterns in the executable that E used for functions. Later versions of E included debug info.

20 February 2016, 10:18	#8
Samurai_Crow Total Chaos forever! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Waterville, MN, USA Age: 49 Posts: 2,186	There are AmigaE forums on http://amigacoding.de but only PortablE and AmigaE under Aros 68k so far.

20 February 2016, 15:19	#9
rare_j Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,176	It looks fast and easy to use. One of the features is inline assembler. Does anyone use Amiga e for programming games? If not, why not? Why do people choose Blitz or Amos instead?

20 February 2016, 16:43	#10
idrougge Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 4,332	Because AMOS and Blitz let you actually do things with the hardware without touching the hardware.

21 February 2016, 07:47	#11
Samurai_Crow Total Chaos forever! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Waterville, MN, USA Age: 49 Posts: 2,186	The E runtimes are not different enough from C mostly.

21 February 2016, 15:20	#12
idrougge Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 4,332	Exactly.

22 February 2016, 05:16	#14
Samurai_Crow Total Chaos forever! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Waterville, MN, USA Age: 49 Posts: 2,186	Yes.

22 February 2016, 23:41	#19
rare_j Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,176	Thanks all for the answers.

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