AmigaOS 3.1.4! [beta]

Amiga1992 · 30 October 2017, 15:57

In my opinion possibly one of the most interesting things to be shown at Amiga32 from what I heard this weekend, and sadly not mentioned much, is the showing of a new version of AmigaOS 3.1 by Hyperion. Caught it on FB thanks to EAB user SimonV, all credit to him who was showing it at the expo! Photos pinched from there.

Olaf has talked about this a bit here, but I think this is the first time it's shown in the wild, and it actually sounds really exciting.

I transcribe here a sum-up of the text of the "What's new?":

Updated AmigaOS 3.1 by Thomas Richter and Olaf Barthel

Lots of bug fixes and:
- Fast File System with native 64-bit support for NSD, TD64 and direct SCSI, long filenames and resizable media support
- CrossDOS with native 64-bit support for NSD, TD64 and direct SCSI support, long filenames and resizable media support, new mfm.device
- Format, DiskCopy and HDToolbox with 64-bit support based on NSD, TD64 and direct SCSI support, plus bug fixes
- C:Mount for large media, direct SCSI support and resizable removable media
- Working soft links for the RAM disk and Fast File System
- Shell tools with long filename support, softlinks and large media support
- Math libraries that reconfigure themselves when an FPU becomes available after loading.
- New DIR command with nicely formatted output
- New Workbench that also copies links
- CPU command with 68060 support
- exec.library that no longer dies on 68060
- SetPatch, without NSDPatch and RomUpdates (not needed anymore)
- Intuition with off-screen window dragging
- aux-handler now completely rewritten in C. No more BCPL code in AmigaOS!
- More bugfixed portions: audio.device, asl.library, Compugraphic fonts, diskfont and fixfonts, icon.library, iffparse.library, Installer, iPrefs, Locale, parallel and serial devices, RAMlib and RAMdrive, rexxsyslib, scsi.device, speak-handler, More, and others
- Added V45 layers.library, V45 execute command, V46 Shell

Hopefully we get to see this released soon!

AMIGASYSTEM · 30 October 2017, 17:10

Akira there are no versions of the files, the versions shown are for layers.library and l'Execute command V45, that I already have on my 3.9.

Jope · 30 October 2017, 19:25

Yes, this is a great thing to have. Our beloved 3.1 has languished for too long.

Hercules · 30 October 2017, 21:27

Great news, but why did they not opt to add improvements to OS 3.9 which is newer?

Locutus · 30 October 2017, 21:34

3.9's licensing and development history is a bit of a mess, essentially its a distribution of components with various ownerships (Amiga Inc, H&P and Private individuals mostly).

As such its very difficult to reacquire the rights to continue developing from it as a base.

Amiga1992 · 30 October 2017, 21:41

3.9 is aimed at a different type of Amiga user.
Good old 3.1 users like me and others appreciate VERY much an update to that! I would never use 3.5 or 3.9, ever.

I am well known for thinking and saying Hyperion is full of shit, but I welcome this, mainly because it's made by awesome people like Olaf, with real love for the platform. I wish them well and hopefully we can see the fruit of such hard work soon.

Those happy with 3.9 need not look into these news, not for you guys

prowler · 30 October 2017, 22:00

I bought the recent Kickstart 3.1 (40.72) for desktop Amigas released by Hyperion, and I would buy any new AmigaOS 3.1.x release resulting from the 3.1.4 beta initiative.

Thanks for posting the news!

DamienD · 30 October 2017, 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

3.9 is aimed at a different type of Amiga user.
Good old 3.1 users like me and others appreciate VERY much an update to that! I would never use 3.5 or 3.9, ever.

Amen to that!!!

Magic · 30 October 2017, 22:28

This is great news! I hope that it is easily available to the end users

spacey · 31 October 2017, 06:30

awesome! glad to see 3.1 still being supported, and some much welcome changes in there by the looks of it.

DrBizzaro · 31 October 2017, 08:02

Thanks for the info !

AMIGASYSTEM · 31 October 2017, 08:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

Amen to that!!!

Damiano and tastes are tastes must be respected, who does not use it OS3.9 loses much in quality, speeds in operationsi and so much more.

crabfists · 31 October 2017, 08:36

I will pay good money for an Amiga 3.1 OS that works with >4GB CF cards out of the box. Crossing fingers that this all works out.

dalek · 31 October 2017, 08:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by crabfists

I will pay good money for an Amiga 3.1 OS that works with >4GB CF cards out of the box. Crossing fingers that this all works out.

HstWB can already do that for you.

grond · 31 October 2017, 11:45

So what has become of the old story that Haage&Partner have the sole rights to do 68k development while Hyperion may only do PPC AmigaOS?

bubbob42 · 31 October 2017, 11:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by grond

So what has become of the old story that Haage&Partner have the sole rights to do 68k development while Hyperion may only do PPC AmigaOS?

Reality became a lot more difficult than that. But you know this very well, don't you?

grond · 31 October 2017, 16:35

Well, I'm just curious what is stopping Hyperion from releasing OS4 for 68k. It looks like it can't be legal reasons any more.

Korodny · 31 October 2017, 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by grond

Well, I'm just curious what is stopping Hyperion from releasing OS4 for 68k. It looks like it can't be legal reasons any more.

Hyperion was quoting licensing issues as a stumbling block for that - they were referring to the licenses they had from the external OS4 developers: Nothing in OS4 is Hyperion's property, they just licensed the individual components from the external devs and distribute the collection as "AmigaOS 4". These licenses from external developers do not (or not anymore) cover 68k.

wawa · 31 October 2017, 19:17

thor spilled that out on a1k. os4 isnt compatible enough with the amiga, which is masked by emulatiion. he mentioned dos packets, again something aros implements, os4 doesnt. he also says theirs is a bugfix release.

all the guys hoping for backporting of os4 to 68k have again ran into a trap of their own imagination and wishes.

sean_sk · 01 November 2017, 00:47

Pardon my complete and unequivocal ignorance, but where does Cloanto fit in all of this.
About 8 months ago I purchased their Workbench 3.1 ADF's which had seen an update in 2016 I believe.

So do they license OS 3.1 from Hyperion? Are they a part of Hyperion? Will they release a new set of WB 3.1 ADF's to re-download? Will we have to pay for it again?

I'm certainly happy paying for it again, as any monetary support to Amiga software development is a good thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

3.9 is aimed at a different type of Amiga user.
Good old 3.1 users like me and others appreciate VERY much an update to that! I would never use 3.5 or 3.9, ever.

Those happy with 3.9 need not look into these news, not for you guys

Agreed!

30 October 2017, 15:57	#1
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,644	AmigaOS 3.1.4! [beta] In my opinion possibly one of the most interesting things to be shown at Amiga32 from what I heard this weekend, and sadly not mentioned much, is the showing of a new version of AmigaOS 3.1 by Hyperion. Caught it on FB thanks to EAB user SimonV, all credit to him who was showing it at the expo! Photos pinched from there. Olaf has talked about this a bit here, but I think this is the first time it's shown in the wild, and it actually sounds really exciting. I transcribe here a sum-up of the text of the "What's new?": Updated AmigaOS 3.1 by Thomas Richter and Olaf Barthel Lots of bug fixes and: - Fast File System with native 64-bit support for NSD, TD64 and direct SCSI, long filenames and resizable media support - CrossDOS with native 64-bit support for NSD, TD64 and direct SCSI support, long filenames and resizable media support, new mfm.device - Format, DiskCopy and HDToolbox with 64-bit support based on NSD, TD64 and direct SCSI support, plus bug fixes - C:Mount for large media, direct SCSI support and resizable removable media - Working soft links for the RAM disk and Fast File System - Shell tools with long filename support, softlinks and large media support - Math libraries that reconfigure themselves when an FPU becomes available after loading. - New DIR command with nicely formatted output - New Workbench that also copies links - CPU command with 68060 support - exec.library that no longer dies on 68060 - SetPatch, without NSDPatch and RomUpdates (not needed anymore) - Intuition with off-screen window dragging - aux-handler now completely rewritten in C. No more BCPL code in AmigaOS! - More bugfixed portions: audio.device, asl.library, Compugraphic fonts, diskfont and fixfonts, icon.library, iffparse.library, Installer, iPrefs, Locale, parallel and serial devices, RAMlib and RAMdrive, rexxsyslib, scsi.device, speak-handler, More, and others - Added V45 layers.library, V45 execute command, V46 Shell Hopefully we get to see this released soon! Last edited by Amiga1992; 14 November 2017 at 18:27.

31 October 2017, 08:36	#13
crabfists Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: warrington UK Posts: 118	AmigaOS 3.1.4 beta! I will pay good money for an Amiga 3.1 OS that works with >4GB CF cards out of the box. Crossing fingers that this all works out.

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30 October 2017, 17:10	#2
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,248	Akira there are no versions of the files, the versions shown are for layers.library and l'Execute command V45, that I already have on my 3.9.

30 October 2017, 19:25	#3
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	Yes, this is a great thing to have. Our beloved 3.1 has languished for too long.

30 October 2017, 21:27	#4
Hercules Vodka monster. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: UK Posts: 332	Great news, but why did they not opt to add improvements to OS 3.9 which is newer?

30 October 2017, 21:34	#5
Locutus Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Finland Posts: 1,175	3.9's licensing and development history is a bit of a mess, essentially its a distribution of components with various ownerships (Amiga Inc, H&P and Private individuals mostly). As such its very difficult to reacquire the rights to continue developing from it as a base.

30 October 2017, 21:41	#6
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,644	3.9 is aimed at a different type of Amiga user. Good old 3.1 users like me and others appreciate VERY much an update to that! I would never use 3.5 or 3.9, ever. I am well known for thinking and saying Hyperion is full of shit, but I welcome this, mainly because it's made by awesome people like Olaf, with real love for the platform. I wish them well and hopefully we can see the fruit of such hard work soon. Those happy with 3.9 need not look into these news, not for you guys

30 October 2017, 22:00	#7
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	I bought the recent Kickstart 3.1 (40.72) for desktop Amigas released by Hyperion, and I would buy any new AmigaOS 3.1.x release resulting from the 3.1.4 beta initiative. Thanks for posting the news!

30 October 2017, 22:28	#9
Magic Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA Posts: 359	This is great news! I hope that it is easily available to the end users

31 October 2017, 06:30	#10
spacey Registered User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: New Zealand Posts: 63	awesome! glad to see 3.1 still being supported, and some much welcome changes in there by the looks of it.

31 October 2017, 08:02	#11
DrBizzaro Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Germany Posts: 7	Thanks for the info !

31 October 2017, 11:45	#15
grond Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Germany Posts: 1,918	So what has become of the old story that Haage&Partner have the sole rights to do 68k development while Hyperion may only do PPC AmigaOS?

31 October 2017, 16:35	#17
grond Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Germany Posts: 1,918	Well, I'm just curious what is stopping Hyperion from releasing OS4 for 68k. It looks like it can't be legal reasons any more.

31 October 2017, 19:17	#19
wawa Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: berlin/germany Posts: 1,054	thor spilled that out on a1k. os4 isnt compatible enough with the amiga, which is masked by emulatiion. he mentioned dos packets, again something aros implements, os4 doesnt. he also says theirs is a bugfix release. all the guys hoping for backporting of os4 to 68k have again ran into a trap of their own imagination and wishes.

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