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Old 29 July 2020, 02:51   #1
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Copyright of WB system libs etc?

Many games and pd disks had this or that system library on the disk from Workbench. But weren't those libs copyrighted?

What Workbench libs are allowed to put on a disk, and which aren't?

If it is allowed to put libs on commercial and pd game disks, then what about Workbench itself?

Why can't Classic WB bundle all the Workbench files, to make it easier to use?

I am asking because, for new users, Classic WB is hard to use because they have to find an official WB disk and go through annoying installation instead of just mounting the hdf.
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Old 29 July 2020, 03:42   #2
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Many games and pd disks had this or that system library on the disk from Workbench. But weren't those libs copyrighted?
Technically. But at the time, it served Commodore's best interests.

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What Workbench libs are allowed to put on a disk, and which aren't?
Now that it's owned by Clown*anto, assume "none".

*Personal Paint (also owned by Cloanto) used a picture of a clown in its advert. So, nothing personal.
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Old 29 July 2020, 05:32   #3
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Many games and pd disks had this or that system library on the disk from Workbench. But weren't those libs copyrighted?
Yes. Developers were supposed to get a license from Commodore to be able to distribute them on their disks.


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What Workbench libs are allowed to put on a disk, and which aren't?
I don't know off the top of my head, but the info is out there somewhere. I think it's on the Developer CD.


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If it is allowed to put libs on commercial and pd game disks, then what about Workbench itself?
Technically not legal, but to what extent Commodore was able to enforce that back then (and what current copyright holders are able to enforce now) is unclear.


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Why can't Classic WB bundle all the Workbench files, to make it easier to use?
Because those files are still copyrighted. Distributing them would leave the ClassicWB team vulnerable to legal action, potentially ending the project.


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I am asking because, for new users, Classic WB is hard to use because they have to find an official WB disk and go through annoying installation instead of just mounting the hdf.
Real Workbench disks are not difficult to find, legal and otherwise. Yeah, it's another step, but my understanding is that the installer does everything almost transparently once the Workbench disk is available. It's as easy as possible given the legal situation.
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Old 29 July 2020, 11:57   #4
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It is the one truth of computing. No matter how much development is done, no matter how much progress is made.

It will NEVER be easy. Ever growing security measures, licensing, privacy, all blockades for making things easy.
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I also was wondering if there are free/PD versions available of c:loadwb, ram handler, fast file system, newcon handler and the libs: math, fonts, and info. and Helvetica/11
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I also was wondering if there are free/PD versions available of c:loadwb, ram handler, fast file system, newcon handler and the libs: math, fonts, and info. and Helvetica/11
LoadWB: yes, I would have one.
Ram-Handler: No. Though there are other ram disks like the asdg.vdisk.device.
The FFS: No.
Newcon: There is ViNCEd which is available.
The mathlibs: Multiple, but they have all a couple of restrictions.
Fonts: There are probably free lookalikes.
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