Sonnet 7200 PCI programming - Page 52

kev · 19 August 2017, 20:11

sounds like a good plan

trixster · 20 August 2017, 16:50

Why have you posted details from our Private Message on here?

kev · 20 August 2017, 19:24

cause thats absurd thats why the fact you try to sell me a broken card same price you paid working its a slap in the face and i would have only been a idiot if i accepted such ridiculousness

trixster · 20 August 2017, 19:53

/editted out a load of ranting waffle

trixster · 20 August 2017, 19:59

Is there a way to see what memory a program is accessing for it's data, or what memory it's residing in?

I'm trying out AmigaAmp 2.25 with the WOS external decoder. It's launching ok and playing mp3s but it seems to be slowing the system down quite a bit - things get a bit unresponsive similar to if amigaamp were running under 68k. This is making me think the ppc is running out of amiga memory and not sonnet memory.

prowler · 20 August 2017, 20:53

kev,

Please keep details of your and others' Private Messaging to yourself from now on or face a ban.

Hedeon · 20 August 2017, 22:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixster

I'm trying out AmigaAmp 2.25 with the WOS external decoder. It's launching ok and playing mp3s but it seems to be slowing the system down quite a bit - things get a bit unresponsive similar to if amigaamp were running under 68k. This is making me think the ppc is running out of amiga memory and not sonnet memory.

What happens if you append _2005 to the AmigaAMP executable? Maybe the MP3 is loaded to Amiga 68k memory.

spudje · 20 August 2017, 23:23

OK, my journey has started, but stranded almost immediately already.

I have an AOS3.9 BB1&2 with Mediator 2.5 & Picasso96 installed.

System runs fine. But when I insert the Sonnet, in the second PCI slot from the top, the system simply doesn't boot anymore. It does reboot with the AOS3.9 BB2 ROM update but after that a dark screen and nothing anymore. No difference with or without memory in the Sonnet.

My system:
A400D + CSPPC
2MB CHip, 16 MB fastRAM, 128 RAM on CSPPC, 256 MB on BigRAMPlus
AOS3.9 on CF on internal IDE
Buster 11.
Latest Mediator 4000Di model (3,3V)

No clue how to troubleshoot from here.

Magic · 20 August 2017, 23:48

Have you tried it without the BigRAMPlus 256 installed?

grelbfarlk · 21 August 2017, 00:33

Is that with a Voodoo installed? And is that a normal boot or a boot with no startup-sequence and running setpatch manually?

Quote:

Originally Posted by spudje

OK, my journey has started, but stranded almost immediately already.

I have an AOS3.9 BB1&2 with Mediator 2.5 & Picasso96 installed.

System runs fine. But when I insert the Sonnet, in the second PCI slot from the top, the system simply doesn't boot anymore. It does reboot with the AOS3.9 BB2 ROM update but after that a dark screen and nothing anymore. No difference with or without memory in the Sonnet.

My system:
A400D + CSPPC
2MB CHip, 16 MB fastRAM, 128 RAM on CSPPC, 256 MB on BigRAMPlus
AOS3.9 on CF on internal IDE
Buster 11.
Latest Mediator 4000Di model (3,3V)

No clue how to troubleshoot from here.

spudje · 21 August 2017, 07:35

Yes, that was my idea as a next step too, try without the bigramplus and without the rtl8029 network card. I also noticed that I have one of the mediator jumpers set in a way it first presents the mediator than the Zorro cards, maybe I should reverse that again? Voodoo is installed and configured with the mediator tool (13 MB memory). Picasso is installed and voodoo modes configured but not yet set as default, systems boots in pal high res. Since it was very late yesterday I also didn't try to boot without startup-sequence yet. Before inserting the sonnet I already had a weird issue without any consequences. During boot I got loadmondrvs is not executable while it really is according to the file attributes.

Hedeon · 21 August 2017, 08:45

BigRAMPlus gobbles up all available Zorro 3/PCI memory.

spudje · 21 August 2017, 22:48

OK, only very minor progress.

Voodoo modes run fine, but I haven't set any as default, system boots in PAL hires.

BigRAMplus (and network card) removed. Sonnet moved to top PCI slot.
Still similar behaviour. Which is actually the following:

With powerpc.library in libs and NOT calling InitPPC systems hangs during booting. With set echo on I did see that it actually hangs after loadwb...
With powerppc.library removed from my HDD and sonnet still installed the system boots fine.

Still have to try:
- move powerppc.library to subfolder within libs, on trixster's advise
- close WINSIZE jumper, although total PCI memory is still below 256 MB (16 MB on voodoo, 3x 64 MB on sonnet, 208 MB in total)
- Set ENVARCs exactly as in https://github.com/Sakura-IT/SonnetA...ki/Good-Config
- Set voodoo mode as default

grelbfarlk · 21 August 2017, 23:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by spudje

OK, only very minor progress.

Voodoo modes run fine, but I haven't set any as default, system boots in PAL hires.

BigRAMplus (and network card) removed. Sonnet moved to top PCI slot.
Still similar behaviour. Which is actually the following:

With powerpc.library in libs and NOT calling InitPPC systems hangs during booting. With set echo on I did see that it actually hangs after loadwb...
With powerppc.library removed from my HDD and sonnet still installed the system boots fine.

Still have to try:
- move powerppc.library to subfolder within libs, on trixster's advise
- close WINSIZE jumper, although total PCI memory is still below 256 MB (16 MB on voodoo, 3x 64 MB on sonnet, 208 MB in total)
- Set ENVARCs exactly as in https://github.com/Sakura-IT/SonnetA...ki/Good-Config
- Set voodoo mode as default

Are you using the latest version of the library 278? Minimal startup would probably be of some help here. It could be picture.datatype loading the powerpc.library. Also are you using a 16-bit PC mode? I've found booting in BE or non-PC mode is not very reliable.

Hedeon · 22 August 2017, 01:59

I'm surprised the library doesn't warn you that the jumper is wrong. It should be ALWAYS set to 512MB. 192 MB sonnet memory needs an address alignment of 256 MB. As it is installed after the voodoo, no 256 MB boundary is left available this way. So it's a no go.

Also, picture data type starts powerpc library. So you need initppc where the docs say it should be or put powerpc library not in libs:

If you have read this thread then you see a dump of pciinfo and showconfig helps for trouble shooting.

Good luck!

spudje · 22 August 2017, 08:03

Ok, enough pointers to continue my quest, thanks for all the help and patience with me

Just a quick question, not behind my a4k atm. If I close winsize that breaks the setups that don't use the sonnet (aos3.9 csppc & aos4.1) won't it? So I may have to put a switch over the jumper pins?

grelbfarlk · 22 August 2017, 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by spudje

Ok, enough pointers to continue my quest, thanks for all the help and patience with me

Just a quick question, not behind my a4k atm. If I close winsize that breaks the setups that don't use the sonnet (aos3.9 csppc & aos4.1) won't it? So I may have to put a switch over the jumper pins?

No it doesn't unless somehow you had other devices which messed with the memory allocation. You can have the 512MB winsize and still run OS 4.1 with the Sonnet in the system (sonnet will not be used [Elbox's PCI GFX Mem window doesn't work under OS4.1 FE]). You shouldn't have a problem setting Winsize.

I'm kinda curious about the Bigramplus, didn't someone advertise it as working with 4 of them in a system at the same time? EDIT: It was the Zorram not BigRAMPlus, I wonder if setting the Mediator to allocate Mediator memory first would work with the Zorram then.

Hedeon · 22 August 2017, 23:49

A3000 memory map says Zorro III is 0x10000000 to 0x80000000. However, expansion library starts putting things at 0x40000000. So 4x256 mb should be possible.

Scratch 1 for the sonnet memory. 1 for the rest of the pci cards and 1 for the pci config. Should be space for 1x256 or 2x128 mb expansions. But I need to see the showconfig output.

spudje · 23 August 2017, 07:28

In the end the behaviour was the same with and without bigramplus. So I think it may work with the bigramplus, but have only time to continue in the weekend.

spudje · 23 August 2017, 21:55

Wooohooo Success!!!! Thanks so much guys!

I did the following:- move powerppc.library to subfolder within libs, on trixster's advise
- Closed WINSIZE jumper
- Closed SWAP jumper. Required with BigRamPlus and ZorRAM. Tried with both (separately, so once with BRP, once with ZorRAM). If you leave it open the Amiga starts with a red board screen showing the memory card defective.
- Set ENVARCs exactly as in https://github.com/Sakura-IT/SonnetA...ki/Good-Config

Created a small Startup-sequence.

Getinfo shows:

Code:

CPU:                   PPC 750   (PVR = 00080202)
CPU clock:             400.000000 MHz
Bus clock:             66.666666 MHz
Instruction Cache:     ON and UNLOCKED
Data Cache:            ON and UNLOCKED
Page table location:   0BF00000
Page table size:       1024 KBytes
PPC Uptime:            33.130147 seconds
CPU load:              0.00%
System load:           0.00%
L2 Cache:              ENABLED
L2 State:              COPY-BACK
L2 Size:               1024 KBytes
FPU Align Emulation:   0 times
DSI Emulation:         186 times

Showconfig shows:

Code:

PROCESSOR:	CPU 68060/68060fpu/68060mmu
CUSTOM CHIPS:	AA PAL Alice (id=$0023), AA Lisa (id=$00F8)
VERS:	Kickstart version 45.57, Exec version 45.20, Disk version 45.3
RAM:	Node type $A, Attributes $505 (FAST), at $8000000-$FF7FFFF (127.5 meg)
	Node type $A, Attributes $505 (FAST), at $7000000-$7FFFFFF (16.0 meg)
	Node type $A, Attributes $405 (FAST), at $70000000-$7FFFFFFF (256.0 meg)
	Node type $A, Attributes $2005 (FAST), at $50480000-$5BEFFFFF (186.5 meg)
	Node type $A, Attributes $703 (CHIP), at $4000-$1FFFFF (~2.0 meg)
	Node type $A, Attributes $2005 (FAST), at $42D00000-$42EFFFFF (2.0 meg)
BOARDS:
 Board (Index Information Ltd):   Prod=2206/161($89E/$A1)
     (@$40000000, size 512meg, subsize same)
 Board (Index Information Ltd):   Prod=2206/33($89E/$21)
     (@$60000000, size 16meg, subsize same)
 Board (Omega Datentechnik):   Prod=2145/200($861/$C8) (@$E90000 64K)
 RAM (unidentified):   Prod=3643/32($E3B/$20)
     (@$70000000, size 256meg, subsize autosized Mem)
 Board + ROM (HD?) (phase 5):   Prod=8512/100($2140/$64) (@$F01060 128K)

Showconfig Debug shows:

Code:

PROCESSOR:	CPU 68060/68060fpu/68060mmu
CUSTOM CHIPS:	AA PAL Alice (id=$0023), AA Lisa (id=$00F8)
VERS:	Kickstart version 45.57, Exec version 45.20, Disk version 45.3
RAM:	Node type $A, Attributes $505 (FAST), at $8000000-$FF7FFFF (127.5 meg)
	Node type $A, Attributes $505 (FAST), at $7000000-$7FFFFFF (16.0 meg)
	Node type $A, Attributes $405 (FAST), at $70000000-$7FFFFFFF (256.0 meg)
	Node type $A, Attributes $2005 (FAST), at $50480000-$5BEFFFFF (186.5 meg)
	Node type $A, Attributes $703 (CHIP), at $4000-$1FFFFF (~2.0 meg)
	Node type $A, Attributes $2005 (FAST), at $42D00000-$42EFFFFF (2.0 meg)
BOARDS:
=======================================================================
 Board (Index Information Ltd):   Prod=2206/161($89E/$A1)
     (@$40000000, size 512meg, subsize same)
 ConfigDev structure found at location $4858
==== Board ID (ExpansionRom) information:
er_Manufacturer         =2206=$89E=(~$F761)
er_Product              =161=$A1=(~$5E)
er_Type                 =$85
  (type 2 (Zorro III), size 512meg, subsize same)
  (not for free list, no ROM diag vec, not chained)
er_Flags                =$20
  (no space preference, can be shut up)
er_InitDiagVec          =$0
==== Configuration (ConfigDev) information:
cd_BoardAddr            =$40000000
cd_BoardSize            =$20000000 (524288K)
cd_Flags                =$2  (CONFIGME bit still set)
=======================================================================
 Board (Index Information Ltd):   Prod=2206/33($89E/$21)
     (@$60000000, size 16meg, subsize same)
 ConfigDev structure found at location $48A0
==== Board ID (ExpansionRom) information:
er_Manufacturer         =2206=$89E=(~$F761)
er_Product              =33=$21=(~$DE)
er_Type                 =$88
  (type 2 (Zorro III), size 16meg, subsize same)
  (not for free list, no ROM diag vec, chained to next)
er_Flags                =$20
  (no space preference, can be shut up)
er_InitDiagVec          =$0
==== Configuration (ConfigDev) information:
cd_BoardAddr            =$60000000
cd_BoardSize            =$1000000 (16384K)
cd_Flags                =$2  (CONFIGME bit still set)
=======================================================================
 Board (Omega Datentechnik):   Prod=2145/200($861/$C8) (@$E90000 64K)
 ConfigDev structure found at location $48E8
==== Board ID (ExpansionRom) information:
er_Manufacturer         =2145=$861=(~$F79E)
er_Product              =200=$C8=(~$37)
er_Type                 =$C1
  (type 3, size 64K, not for free list, no ROM diag vec, not chained)
er_Flags                =$0
  (no space preference, can be shut up)
er_InitDiagVec          =$0
==== Configuration (ConfigDev) information:
cd_BoardAddr            =$E90000
cd_BoardSize            =$10000 (64K)
cd_Flags                =$2  (CONFIGME bit still set)
=======================================================================
 RAM (unidentified):   Prod=3643/32($E3B/$20)
     (@$70000000, size 256meg, subsize autosized Mem)
 ConfigDev structure found at location $4930
==== Board ID (ExpansionRom) information:
er_Manufacturer         =3643=$E3B=(~$F1C4)
er_Product              =32=$20=(~$DF)
er_Type                 =$A4
  (type 2 (Zorro III), size 256meg, subsize autosized)
  (add to free list, no ROM diag vec, not chained)
er_Flags                =$F1
  (prefers 8-meg space, can not be shut up)
er_InitDiagVec          =$5
==== Configuration (ConfigDev) information:
cd_BoardAddr            =$70000000
cd_BoardSize            =$10000000 (262144K)
cd_Flags                =$A  (CONFIGME bit still set)
=======================================================================
 Board + ROM (HD?) (phase 5):   Prod=8512/100($2140/$64) (@$F01060 128K)
 ConfigDev structure found at location $4978
==== Board ID (ExpansionRom) information:
er_Manufacturer         =8512=$2140=(~$DEBF)
er_Product              =100=$64=(~$9B)
er_Type                 =$D2
  (type 3, size 128K, not for free list, ROM diag vec valid, not chained)
er_Flags                =$0
  (no space preference, can be shut up)
er_InitDiagVec          =$4
DiagCopy at             =$8003428
==== Configuration (ConfigDev) information:
cd_BoardAddr            =$F01060
cd_BoardSize            =$20000 (128K)
cd_Flags                =$0  (CONFIGME bit cleared)
=======================================================================

So ready for the next steps!!!

- What program can I run to test the Sonnet CPU without needing Warp3D?
- After that I will install mediator Warp3D drivers (From the Mediator CD?)
- Do I have to put the Mediator Envarc Warp3D to Yes ? In https://github.com/Sakura-IT/SonnetA...ki/Good-Config it states Warp3D = No
- Then my most favorite games will be ipeout & Payback (although I saw still some payback issues)
- I'll also install some FPS I guess

19 August 2017, 20:11	#1021
kev Banned Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: usa Posts: 103	sounds like a good plan Last edited by prowler; 20 August 2017 at 20:47. Reason: Removed indiscreet details of private conversation.

20 August 2017, 16:50	#1022
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,339	Why have you posted details from our Private Message on here? Last edited by trixster; 23 August 2017 at 11:58. Reason: Edited out a load of ranting waffle

20 August 2017, 19:24	#1023
kev Banned Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: usa Posts: 103	cause thats absurd thats why the fact you try to sell me a broken card same price you paid working its a slap in the face and i would have only been a idiot if i accepted such ridiculousness Last edited by kev; 20 August 2017 at 19:34.

20 August 2017, 19:53	#1024
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,339	/editted out a load of ranting waffle Last edited by trixster; 23 August 2017 at 11:57.

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20 August 2017, 19:59	#1025
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,339	Is there a way to see what memory a program is accessing for it's data, or what memory it's residing in? I'm trying out AmigaAmp 2.25 with the WOS external decoder. It's launching ok and playing mp3s but it seems to be slowing the system down quite a bit - things get a bit unresponsive similar to if amigaamp were running under 68k. This is making me think the ppc is running out of amiga memory and not sonnet memory.

20 August 2017, 20:53	#1026
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	kev, Please keep details of your and others' Private Messaging to yourself from now on or face a ban.

20 August 2017, 23:23	#1028
spudje Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,406	OK, my journey has started, but stranded almost immediately already. I have an AOS3.9 BB1&2 with Mediator 2.5 & Picasso96 installed. System runs fine. But when I insert the Sonnet, in the second PCI slot from the top, the system simply doesn't boot anymore. It does reboot with the AOS3.9 BB2 ROM update but after that a dark screen and nothing anymore. No difference with or without memory in the Sonnet. My system: A400D + CSPPC 2MB CHip, 16 MB fastRAM, 128 RAM on CSPPC, 256 MB on BigRAMPlus AOS3.9 on CF on internal IDE Buster 11. Latest Mediator 4000Di model (3,3V) No clue how to troubleshoot from here.

20 August 2017, 23:48	#1029
Magic Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA Posts: 360	Have you tried it without the BigRAMPlus 256 installed?

21 August 2017, 07:35	#1031
spudje Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,406	Yes, that was my idea as a next step too, try without the bigramplus and without the rtl8029 network card. I also noticed that I have one of the mediator jumpers set in a way it first presents the mediator than the Zorro cards, maybe I should reverse that again? Voodoo is installed and configured with the mediator tool (13 MB memory). Picasso is installed and voodoo modes configured but not yet set as default, systems boots in pal high res. Since it was very late yesterday I also didn't try to boot without startup-sequence yet. Before inserting the sonnet I already had a weird issue without any consequences. During boot I got loadmondrvs is not executable while it really is according to the file attributes.

21 August 2017, 08:45	#1032
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,002	BigRAMPlus gobbles up all available Zorro 3/PCI memory.

21 August 2017, 22:48	#1033
spudje Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,406	OK, only very minor progress. Voodoo modes run fine, but I haven't set any as default, system boots in PAL hires. BigRAMplus (and network card) removed. Sonnet moved to top PCI slot. Still similar behaviour. Which is actually the following: With powerpc.library in libs and NOT calling InitPPC systems hangs during booting. With set echo on I did see that it actually hangs after loadwb... With powerppc.library removed from my HDD and sonnet still installed the system boots fine. Still have to try: - move powerppc.library to subfolder within libs, on trixster's advise - close WINSIZE jumper, although total PCI memory is still below 256 MB (16 MB on voodoo, 3x 64 MB on sonnet, 208 MB in total) - Set ENVARCs exactly as in https://github.com/Sakura-IT/SonnetA...ki/Good-Config - Set voodoo mode as default

22 August 2017, 01:59	#1035
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,002	I'm surprised the library doesn't warn you that the jumper is wrong. It should be ALWAYS set to 512MB. 192 MB sonnet memory needs an address alignment of 256 MB. As it is installed after the voodoo, no 256 MB boundary is left available this way. So it's a no go. Also, picture data type starts powerpc library. So you need initppc where the docs say it should be or put powerpc library not in libs: If you have read this thread then you see a dump of pciinfo and showconfig helps for trouble shooting. Good luck!

22 August 2017, 08:03	#1036
spudje Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,406	Ok, enough pointers to continue my quest, thanks for all the help and patience with me Just a quick question, not behind my a4k atm. If I close winsize that breaks the setups that don't use the sonnet (aos3.9 csppc & aos4.1) won't it? So I may have to put a switch over the jumper pins?

22 August 2017, 23:49	#1038
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,002	A3000 memory map says Zorro III is 0x10000000 to 0x80000000. However, expansion library starts putting things at 0x40000000. So 4x256 mb should be possible. Scratch 1 for the sonnet memory. 1 for the rest of the pci cards and 1 for the pci config. Should be space for 1x256 or 2x128 mb expansions. But I need to see the showconfig output.

23 August 2017, 07:28	#1039
spudje Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,406	In the end the behaviour was the same with and without bigramplus. So I think it may work with the bigramplus, but have only time to continue in the weekend.

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