EAB Tournament

RetroMan · 25 July 2002, 13:36

Ok, this is something I had in mind for some weeks now

I would like to arrange a EAB Tournament (date to be announced later) with some people here. First of all, I would like to have your opinion on this one ! Are you interested ? Also I would like to know WHAT game exactly you would like to play at this Tournament, maybe we can make an EAB-League ?

Here some suggestions from my side (others are welcome, just post it

) :

- Sensible Soccer
- Kick Off
- Worms DC
- Super Cars
- Nitro

Now it´s your turn

..........

blackcornflake · 25 July 2002, 13:57

Sensi sounds fine to me!

I would love the opportunity to put my Sensi God reputation on the line.

§ane · 25 July 2002, 14:35

I would normally encourage this sort of thing, but I will suggest postponing any Tournament just until the next release of WinUAE - Kaillera, otherwise it's a great idea!

To begin with, the upcoming release will be (should be) faster, more reliable, far easier to configure, and well, usable.

I'm hoping to have it completed simultaneously with or shortly after the next official version of WinUAE, to include every last bug fix & feature.

RetroMan · 25 July 2002, 14:38

@blackcornflake

You WILL loose that title

!!!

@§ane

I haven´t said any date, this is only an idea right now, also I will work out some rules etc. ! But first of all, I want the peoples opinion about it

Bloodwych · 25 July 2002, 16:02

I'd love to take part, but I can see one problem.

Yes I know a bad workman always blames his tools but playing games on WinUAE will have me trying to whip all your asses on a crappy gamepad.

And on 56K

I NEED MY AMIGA JOYSTICKS FOR FULL COMPETITION!!!!

Out of the games mentioned, Nitro, Kick Off and Super Cars titles should be as good as mine under ideal conditions. OK I may be a bit rusty after all these years but the old magic should still be there...........somewhere. Hopefully. If the Alcohol hasn’t numbed my reactions.

BTW, who wants to complete Bloodwych with me?*

*expects ZERO response

RCK · 25 July 2002, 16:13

Could you add Dynablaster & IK+ in game list for me ?

RetroMan · 25 July 2002, 16:14

Quote:

Originally posted by Bloodwych
BTW, who wants to complete Bloodwych with me?*

*expects ZERO response

Well, I´d LOVE to

I played that game a long time ago on my first A500 and I may still got some self drawn dungeon maps

@RCK

I´ll add ALL the suggestions to a list and maybe make a poll later

IK+ would be kewl

CPC464 · 25 July 2002, 17:56

Sensi and IK+ I played these games (as did probably everyone else) to death,

I would be in for those

Djay · 25 July 2002, 21:43

now this a great idea.......

Super Cars 2 would be good

how about Shadow Fighter, Speedball 2, The Settlers, Chaos Engine Co-Ops, Alien Breed Co-Ops etc etc..

i've never used Kaillera, is it any good, and how do you set it up?

RetroMan · 25 July 2002, 21:46

@Djay

Go to the WinUAE Kaillera Website and give it a go, the docs inside the archiv will explain what to do

--------> http://kaillera.abime.net/

Djay · 25 July 2002, 21:54

thx for the link, retro!!!

i challenge anyone to a few games of Lemmings..... believe me YOU will lose!!!

Bloodwych · 25 July 2002, 22:12

Quote:

Originally posted by RetroMan

Well, I´d LOVE to I played that game a long time ago on my first A500 and I may still got some self drawn dungeon maps

Nice one!

No need for the maps!

I know the ENTIRE game off by heart due to finishing it about 5 times!!! A mean feat since many of the corridors look exactly the same!

Djay · 25 July 2002, 22:51

where can i get a copy of Bloodwych, that works with WinUAE?

i did enjoy this game, i think it was my first stab at RPG/Adventure on the Amiga.... anyone else enjoy EOTB 1&2...

infact anyone know where i can Knightmare, that work with WinAUE?

Double Thanks...

Shatterhand · 26 July 2002, 06:04

I would love to be in a tournament.. any game and I am in (even if I suck at the game... at least I know I'll have some fun

)

But I also have the same problem of being in a 56 k connection, and I live in Brazil, far away of most people here (Except Fissuras and Akira

), so I am definately a non-go.

I would like to see Micro-Machines and Brutal Sports Football in this list too.(I am very good at Micro Machines, and I REALLY DOUBT anyone can beat me in Brutal Football

)

And Blackcorn, I could beat you at sensi ANYTIME

Akira · 26 July 2002, 08:05

I have a 33.6 that connects at 26400

I have no free time

I cannot participate

th4t1guy · 26 July 2002, 09:58

All these games sound great, but...

WHAT ABOUT HIRED GUNS?

Bloodwych · 26 July 2002, 12:56

Quote:

Originally posted by Djay
where can i get a copy of Bloodwych, that works with WinUAE?

i did enjoy this game, i think it was my first stab at RPG/Adventure on the Amiga.... anyone else enjoy EOTB 1&2...

infact anyone know where i can Knightmare, that work with WinAUE?

Double Thanks...

I use the WHDload version of Bloodwych and the data disk as you can have 10 save game points. I've also got them in ADF format but last time i checked the save game wouldn't work whilst running from floppy. WinUAE save state might however.

Knightmare. Hmm. I'll have to check, loved the intro music from the TV series on the title screen. You've just reminded me that this game (along with Black Crypt) has never been completed by yours truly! I think I got stuck on both of them years ago.

§ane · 26 July 2002, 14:17

56k and slower connections have a better chance at turn based games, take "Battle Chess" for example, or "Worms" configured for reasonable turn times.

To get a general idea of the quality of gameplay you might expect, you can test your ping time, jump to a command prompt via Start -> Run... "command.com" or "cmd" for NT/2K/XP.

Now enter ping, followed by the hostname or IP address of the game server.

e.g.

Code:

Z:\>ping abime.net

Pinging abime.net [80.239.168.80] with 32 bytes of data:

...

Ping statistics for 80.239.168.80:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 437ms, Maximum =  438ms, Average =  437ms

This is the time it takes for one 32 byte packet to travel there and back, WinUAE - Kaillera won't be sending near as much data (3 bytes to be precise) but more often and close together. Due to my weak average ping of 437ms to abime.net, here would not be the best of places to host a game, it largely depends on your location.

Running a remote server, I played a game of "Silkworm" with myself, it was playable and constant at 150ms, yet there is still significant lag, I had to plan my moves slightly ahead of time. I originally thought the game's speed would be bound to the slowest player's ping, but it seems that is not the case, it is fluid most of the time.

If you have a high ping you will lag behind, in other words your control response will be severely delayed, so games that impose fast reflexes are best suited to players that reside in the same neighborhood as the host server. I presume this is no different to if you were using any other Kaillera supporting emulator, enter any one of the numerous servers and you will find most players with below 50ms pings.

To make it fair, find a server that is both of equal and fast ping to all players. There is no reason why a dial-up user cannot have an enjoyable game, if you are one with a poor ping, balance it out by choosing a server closer to you.

RCK · 26 July 2002, 17:04

Quote:

Due to my weak average ping of 437ms to abime.net, here would not be the best of places to host a game, it largely depends on your location.

whao, you live in the opposed side of the world don't you ?!
abime.net is hosted on the backbone connection of viking III network,
we are covering all the Europe & Us with better ping than 400ms ! (I hope

)
> I'm at 10ms with cable and 50ms with adsl

§ane · 26 July 2002, 17:29

Quote:

Originally posted by RCK
whao, you live in the opposed side of the world don't you ?!
abime.net is hosted on the backbone connection of viking III network,
we are covering all the Europe & Us with better ping than 400ms ! (I hope )
> I'm at 10ms with cable and 50ms with adsl

Well, my ping sux no matter it's destination!

From here in Australia it takes over 20+ hops to reach your server, it dies the very moment it leaves the continent.

View Poll Results: Would you like to play an EAB Tournament ?
Yes, that would rock !	29	78.38%
No, this sucks !	1	2.70%
Maybe, depends on my spare time !	7	18.92%
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25 July 2002, 13:36	#1
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 47 Posts: 3,704	EAB Tournament Ok, this is something I had in mind for some weeks now I would like to arrange a EAB Tournament (date to be announced later) with some people here. First of all, I would like to have your opinion on this one ! Are you interested ? Also I would like to know WHAT game exactly you would like to play at this Tournament, maybe we can make an EAB-League ? Here some suggestions from my side (others are welcome, just post it ) : - Sensible Soccer - Kick Off - Worms DC - Super Cars - Nitro Now it´s your turn ..........

26 July 2002, 14:17	#18
§ane Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: . Age: 41 Posts: 246	56k and slower connections have a better chance at turn based games, take "Battle Chess" for example, or "Worms" configured for reasonable turn times. To get a general idea of the quality of gameplay you might expect, you can test your ping time, jump to a command prompt via Start -> Run... "command.com" or "cmd" for NT/2K/XP. Now enter ping, followed by the hostname or IP address of the game server. e.g. Code: Z:\>ping abime.net Pinging abime.net [80.239.168.80] with 32 bytes of data: ... Ping statistics for 80.239.168.80: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 437ms, Maximum = 438ms, Average = 437ms This is the time it takes for one 32 byte packet to travel there and back, WinUAE - Kaillera won't be sending near as much data (3 bytes to be precise) but more often and close together. Due to my weak average ping of 437ms to abime.net, here would not be the best of places to host a game, it largely depends on your location. Running a remote server, I played a game of "Silkworm" with myself, it was playable and constant at 150ms, yet there is still significant lag, I had to plan my moves slightly ahead of time. I originally thought the game's speed would be bound to the slowest player's ping, but it seems that is not the case, it is fluid most of the time. If you have a high ping you will lag behind, in other words your control response will be severely delayed, so games that impose fast reflexes are best suited to players that reside in the same neighborhood as the host server. I presume this is no different to if you were using any other Kaillera supporting emulator, enter any one of the numerous servers and you will find most players with below 50ms pings. To make it fair, find a server that is both of equal and fast ping to all players. There is no reason why a dial-up user cannot have an enjoyable game, if you are one with a poor ping, balance it out by choosing a server closer to you. Last edited by §ane; 26 July 2002 at 16:01.

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25 July 2002, 13:57	#2
blackcornflake Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cereal box Posts: 759	Sensi sounds fine to me! I would love the opportunity to put my Sensi God reputation on the line.

25 July 2002, 14:35	#3
§ane Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: . Age: 41 Posts: 246	I would normally encourage this sort of thing, but I will suggest postponing any Tournament just until the next release of WinUAE - Kaillera, otherwise it's a great idea! To begin with, the upcoming release will be (should be) faster, more reliable, far easier to configure, and well, usable. I'm hoping to have it completed simultaneously with or shortly after the next official version of WinUAE, to include every last bug fix & feature.

25 July 2002, 14:38	#4
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 47 Posts: 3,704	@blackcornflake You WILL loose that title !!! @§ane I haven´t said any date, this is only an idea right now, also I will work out some rules etc. ! But first of all, I want the peoples opinion about it

25 July 2002, 16:02	#5
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	I'd love to take part, but I can see one problem. Yes I know a bad workman always blames his tools but playing games on WinUAE will have me trying to whip all your asses on a crappy gamepad. And on 56K I NEED MY AMIGA JOYSTICKS FOR FULL COMPETITION!!!! Out of the games mentioned, Nitro, Kick Off and Super Cars titles should be as good as mine under ideal conditions. OK I may be a bit rusty after all these years but the old magic should still be there...........somewhere. Hopefully. If the Alcohol hasn’t numbed my reactions. BTW, who wants to complete Bloodwych with me?* *expects ZERO response

25 July 2002, 16:13	#6
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 42 Posts: 2,996	Could you add Dynablaster & IK+ in game list for me ?

25 July 2002, 17:56	#8
CPC464 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: York Age: 51 Posts: 393	Sensi and IK+ I played these games (as did probably everyone else) to death, I would be in for those

25 July 2002, 21:43	#9
Djay aka breakpoint Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton / UK Age: 44 Posts: 3,091	now this a great idea....... Super Cars 2 would be good how about Shadow Fighter, Speedball 2, The Settlers, Chaos Engine Co-Ops, Alien Breed Co-Ops etc etc.. i've never used Kaillera, is it any good, and how do you set it up?

25 July 2002, 21:46	#10
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 47 Posts: 3,704	@Djay Go to the WinUAE Kaillera Website and give it a go, the docs inside the archiv will explain what to do --------> http://kaillera.abime.net/

25 July 2002, 21:54	#11
Djay aka breakpoint Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton / UK Age: 44 Posts: 3,091	thx for the link, retro!!! i challenge anyone to a few games of Lemmings..... believe me YOU will lose!!!

25 July 2002, 22:51	#13
Djay aka breakpoint Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton / UK Age: 44 Posts: 3,091	where can i get a copy of Bloodwych, that works with WinUAE? i did enjoy this game, i think it was my first stab at RPG/Adventure on the Amiga.... anyone else enjoy EOTB 1&2... infact anyone know where i can Knightmare, that work with WinAUE? Double Thanks...

26 July 2002, 06:04	#14
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 37 Posts: 3,437	I would love to be in a tournament.. any game and I am in (even if I suck at the game... at least I know I'll have some fun ) But I also have the same problem of being in a 56 k connection, and I live in Brazil, far away of most people here (Except Fissuras and Akira ), so I am definately a non-go. I would like to see Micro-Machines and Brutal Sports Football in this list too.(I am very good at Micro Machines, and I REALLY DOUBT anyone can beat me in Brutal Football ) And Blackcorn, I could beat you at sensi ANYTIME

26 July 2002, 08:05	#15
Akira Black Lives Matter Join Date: May 2001 Location: New York Posts: 19,438	I have a 33.6 that connects at 26400 I have no free time I cannot participate

26 July 2002, 09:58	#16
th4t1guy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO, USA Posts: 683	All these games sound great, but... WHAT ABOUT HIRED GUNS?

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