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Old 03 November 2019, 12:09   #941
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Coming to this thread late - was I disappointed with my A1200 (after A500+)? No!

The improved upgrade paths was great - HD, accelerator etc. Much faster (even without fastram) than an A500. Loved how it looked and my eyes, the best Amiga ever made.

Some of the software as a little disappointing but even in the Doom era we still had some great Doom like games which were AGA only.

The only thing I was disappointed with was the compatibility with A500 games but even this was solved with Relokick.

I loved my 1200 then and I love my 1200 now...
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Old 03 November 2019, 12:16   #942
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I can confirm this, not to mention the common PC OS combo at the time was DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.x featuring "task switching", which sucked compared to Amiga OS 3.x.
"collaborative multitasking" Windows 3.x applications had to read their message queue regularly and return control to the OS when required... if one application froze, all the task switching froze altogheter...

Speaking of OS stability and usability IMAO, Windows 95 was the first real competitor from Microsoft for AmigaOS. Non to mention that Autoconfig was born when Microsft have yet to think Plug And Play. Not to mention the 640K DOS RAM limit. NOT to mention that Windows 3.x was not an operating system on its own, but had to rely on MS-DOS.

At the time, the PC hardware was half a nigthmare to configure. Users often had to care about I/O addresses and IRQ numbers. Windows 98 had a lot of features but I had lots of problems with device drivers. It was sorta like a cards castle: touch one card and the whole thing will fall down.

Anyway, I have to admit that Windows 3.x was a big step forward being user friendly. It also had a lot of support from productivity software developers. Windows 3.11 also added 32 bit disk access and had (limited) network and file sharing capability, and, above all, it did not give me all the headaches I had with Windows 98 device drivers.

Windows 98 had lots of troubles with USB support. At that time, AmigaOS was out of the market already, so I cannot say any more
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Old 03 November 2019, 12:20   #943
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Windows up to Xp versions was very poor...
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Old 03 November 2019, 13:07   #944
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I now wish I didn't get rid of my Packard Bell. It had TV out and on-board DOS compatible sound. With the knowledge I have now, it would have been perfect DOS machine.
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Old 03 November 2019, 14:01   #945
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[...] and had (limited) network and file sharing capability, [...]
Yes but in the 90's this is "company/work" oriented and not "home use" oriented as the A1200.

Even network playing Doom (1993) required IPX/SPX that was not part of MS-DOS. You had to "buy" it... Fortunately, as a student I had access to such software for educational purpose
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Old 03 November 2019, 14:13   #946
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IPX was free? Was is not part of MSDOS netbios stack.
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Old 03 November 2019, 14:20   #947
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In november 1992 for price of Amiga 1200 you can buy 386 SX with graphics faster than Amiga 4000.
Some here compare 386SX with HD and monitor to bare a1200 and get 386SX was expensive, it is stupid.
no you could not.
Several people looked up old ads in this thread, including me.
Even the the slow 386SX, that had only 16bit data bus and only 24bit address space, was more expensive - without HD and without monitor and of course without sound card.

Since the SX bus was only 16bit wide there was no PCI or "VESA local bus" on the mainboard - and you had to use ISA bus for graphics.
So in most scenarios graphics was not faster than AGA, with the exception of software that needs chunky modes.


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Amiga 500 was hardware usable for years, when someone buy it in 1987, five years later it was still better than pc.
That was the case and that is why people were disappointed by AGA, since most people expected some bigger jump forward.
AAA might have provided this - but even AAA would not have lasted as long as OCS/ECS...
The update cycles in the 90s were crazy fast.

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a1200 was expensive and soon after release it was outdated.
It was NOT expensive at all.
But yes it was outdated very soon ... but to be fair: so was every PC released back then.

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december 1993 and a1200 was done. It was too slow for money C= ask for it.
true as the 020 CPU was really dated in 1992 und having no FastRAM slowed the machine furrier down...

But if you look at the Atari Falcon: more power did not help it at all.

the time of keyboard computers was simply over - releasing a affordable but more upgradable A1000+ (as planed) would have been the right move.
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Our PC was in excess of £1000. Complete rip off considering custom builds were in the region of £300-500. Prices became cheaper in advent of online shopping... eBuyer had less overheads so able to offer cheaper prices than in store.

Amiga by comparison was always cheaper than it's PC counterpart hence why it was popular as both a games machine and for productivity use.
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Maybe, Aga deserve more games....
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IPX was free? Was is not part of MSDOS netbios stack.
As far as I remember, it was part of the Novell Netware disks set (but maybe my memory serves me wrong).
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I now wish I didn't get rid of my Packard Bell. It had TV out and on-board DOS compatible sound. With the knowledge I have now, it would have been perfect DOS machine.
I know what you mean. Around year 2000 I was working in the IT industry and I truly believe that Packard Bell was probably the only brand releasing friendly, multimedia, affordable PC systems that were shipped with Microsoft Word an interesting software bundle. Probably it was the only brand that gave me a little of the "I feel at home" vibe that I felt when I started reading my A500 manual.

I wish I had not given away my dear A500 for free to a friend who replaced it with an A2000 within a very short time (I wonder were he put the A500 - at least he replaced it with an Amiga and not with a PC ), just because the Amiga was already almost out of the industry. I know, I deserve to suffer nostalgia my whole lifetime
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Y'know, I'm beginning to think that Swinkamor12 doesn't know what they're on about.
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Maybe, Aga deserve more games....
When I read texts in our regional magazines, in the time when aga was about to be released, I feel like Commodore kept in secrecy all about Aga machines, from everyone.
Similarly like today's announcements of big games.

Man, they got it all wrong.
They should have provided all the help to all the developers back then (even ask them for advice when constructing new machines), instead of expecting of coders to "figure it out" by themselfs.
quote Tywin Lanister:
"Madness... Madness, and stupidity..."
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At the time, I never understood the politics of the commodore. It always seemed to me that they were running against the Amiga ...
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At the time, I never understood the politics of the commodore. It always seemed to me that they were running against the Amiga ...
It was all about making those at the top rich!
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Old 06 November 2019, 16:16   #957
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(even ask them for advice when constructing new machines), instead of expecting of coders to "figure it out" by themselfs. "
They did, the number one request from developers was more ram, it was planned to ship with 1MB like the Falcon and Archimedes, but they upped it to 2mb
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They did, the number one request from developers was more ram, it was planned to ship with 1MB like the Falcon and Archimedes, but they upped it to 2mb
Good choice, but a little less disappointed implementation, since cpu can't go access to it at full speed
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Good choice, but a little less disappointed implementation, since cpu can't go access to it at full speed
Hey they added it, you didn’t expect them to go further than that
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Hey they added it, you didn’t expect them to go further than that
A little bit of effort by Commodore?
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