A little modification...

[DH]

^Bwahahahahahahaha! He never thought of that

[lelezetec]

Once AmigaOS is installed you can use UAE-app... and if you're smart you can use a catweasel...

Got the idea?

However mine was just a request, not an order. I'm happy the same even without that modification so I think you're a little exagerating by attacking me for my request. I think that everything requested that don't go against Toni's philosophy can be an improvement for winuae. Laughing and fooling other people doesn't help improving the software.

Period

P.S.: I got an Amiga 1200/030 50MHz 882/50MHz and an Amiga 600 so please STFU. Maybe I prefere using a modern low cost hardware instead of wasting precious money in some old soon-failing hardware.

[TCD]

Originally Posted by lelezetec

Laughing and fooling other people doesn't help improving the software.

It's surely not improving the emulator. Period.

[lelezetec]

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

It's surely not improving the emulator. Period.

Isn't what I said?

[killergorilla]

I wasn't having a go, just merely wanted to know how you planned on putting disks in.

Personally, I have no idea why you are going to such lengths to hide Windows, doesn't stop the fact you are still using Windows, just makes life difficult if you want to make any changes to the "hardware" of your "Amiga", plus changing disks becomes an arse.

[seuden]

Just get an Amiga. How much are catweasels these days?

[TCD]

Originally Posted by lelezetec

Isn't what I said?

No. It just 'hides' a feature. I won't call that an improvement.

[lelezetec]

Well I think there's no worse deaf than the one that don't wanna hear.
Mine was just an idea, if it's done I'm happy, if not I'm happy the same.
This discussion is becoming completely useless.

[DH]

Touchy!

I dont, IMHO, think you are giving a valid and justified reason to why F12 should have a switch to disable it, I also doubt Toni will even contemplate the idea, unless the reason is justified and valid enough for the changes to be applied in WinUAE.

F12 is an important feature of WinUAE, an Amiga Emulator, and I still can't see how anybody can actually justify disabling it.

Unless you can come up with something truly fantastic, I agree that this discussion has run it's course

[lelezetec]

First of all, I think that your posts in that discussion are pretty useless, but this is jusm my honest opinion. As I saw you arrived, raised hell but still don't leave. Disappointing...

However getting back to the discussion the reason has been given times and times, but I'll repeat it again:

since WinUAE try, as all the softwares, to satisfy the larger range of users possible, there's a little part that may want to use WinUAE as a virtual enviroment. In that way, once WinUAE is configured and Windows ripped off (follow my guide) you'll not need anymore to interact with configuration or windows and floppys can be mounted via uae-app (freely downloadable via aminet).

So this is the point, maybe couldn't be a big update for most of the people, but believe me that the one that are tired of the slow speed of good old Amigas and want to recreate a total new powerfull enviroment, will welcome that modification. I know that Toni doesn't want to make WinUAE the new Amithlon because he thinks that WinUAE is just an emulator but I think that, as all softwares, it can be more than that.

Now I hope is clearer

P.S.: Demon, sorry for the first lines of the post but I ain't no saint... nothing personal, my friend

[Photon]

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

alt-tab and ctrl-alt-del can't be disabled without low level hacks.

Added:

Context to post #2: those that want some desktop replacement features usually also expect winuae to be some kind of new Amiga / Amithlon-like or virtual Amiga instead of hardware emulator and they also think I am wasting my time with something stupid (like more compatible A500 emulation).

Well Toni, you can rest assured that I think the last part is a very important goal.

ps. Amiga is the most difficult machine to emulate, and (as we know) there is no replacement for WinUAE. It's even worth buying a PC just to use it.

ps.2. Don't use an emulator as an Amiga. Get a real Amiga and a bleedin' CF card Use WinUAE as an excuse to fill your days with Amiga. Yes, I use 3 real Amigas daily and I still say that. Because sometimes I sit in front of the PC or something.

[tero]

I'm on lelezetec's way here

@ALL
Toni said: he can do something as commandline parameter!
And in the case he really do:
Why you're going against a feature you are not going to see?
There will be nothing in GUI and inside emulation are no differents

But people who want to do - can! (there're at least 2 )

I can't see where your problem is
and that only because you're not going to use it

Cheers, cakes and Peace


@Toni
For the Why: It simply will complete the Look&Feel when using
WinUAE as Shell-replacement.
It's like the floppy-sounds, nothing important but nice to have
EDIT: The Win side shortcuts can be disabled on many different ways(diff. prg,registry etc)
and WinUAE shortcuts like for example the ones for Disk-change are still
usefull even in ShellReplacement.

When you implement it
When not? I think there are much more features i will for

[Toni Wilen]

I am still not so sure about your request..

Does your users really want that? Do I get some bug reports like "I used this thing here and now F12 does not work, surely it is a bug in WinUAE?"

I still don't see the point. (yes, I know what you mean but imho it isn't logicalk, nobody presses F12 accidentally because there is no Amiga F12 key)

[Retro1234]

What is the point of removing the the F12 options - there is no point! for a shell replacement you want the F12 options - Shell replacement has been done before search old threads.

[lelezetec]

Tero understood the situation perfectly.
Hiding the F12 key can be an improvement to the desktop replacement enviroment just because sometime could be annoying while having the illusion to work on an Amiga enviroment, having the popup on Windows' window

The most important thing to remove , I think, that are the ALT the Windows hotkeys But even the deletion of F12 can be welcome.

However the logic is to have a virtual enviroment with no interaction of the user with windows, plain and simple

[killergorilla]

This is a question.. not a dig or anything... so don't take it personally.

How exactly do you change disks?

Granted you use uae-app or whatever it is, but don't you still get a windows popup to then go and select the adf? Doesn't that alone destory the illusion of it all and make you think "it's clear I'm using Windows, why not keep F12 for convenience anyway"?

[TCD]

This is how uae-app looks like :


Glad lelezetec used the word illusion. Guess by mounting it this way and resetting the Amiga you can even boot NDos disks...

[killergorilla]

Ah I see.

So that's how it works.

Can it do dms/ipf etc?

[TCD]

Originally Posted by killergorilla

Can it do dms/ipf etc?

Nope. Seems like it only works for the shown file types.

[killergorilla]

Ok cool.

Looks interesting none the less.