18 February 2010, 18:06 | #21 | |
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Cloanto has a license to distribute Amiga Forever with AmigaOS and Kickstart, any other distribution may be not be legal, like distribute Minimig/NatAmi/Clone-A with AmigaOS and Kickstart, at least as a unique bundle. |
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18 February 2010, 19:38 | #22 |
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the ZX Spectrum was a particurly bad example too, because Amstrad actually openly released the ZX Roms and as a result encouraged a thriving ZX Spectrum Emulation scene.
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19 February 2010, 01:41 | #23 |
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I like Cloanto for their efforts, but thay should charge for their products and excellent compilation, not kickstart roms.
Maybe, finally, now there is no one left to pay the lawyers, classic OS and kickstarts can be abandonware. |
22 February 2010, 00:38 | #24 |
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i am gonna host the entire kickstart collection on my website, advertise it everywhere and i'll report back on who trys to close me down!
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22 February 2010, 08:34 | #25 |
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22 February 2010, 13:36 | #26 | |
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1. you will most likely get a message from a chap called AmiKit - from there 2. you will receive threats - (well maybe one)... 3. he will then go and tell your Host provider - If he gets no where there he will then contact clonato, whom will then contact you and your host provider. Either way, it will get taken down, it has happend before. many times. The main reason this AmiKit ( do not confuse with AmigaKit ) does this is because he sells a product *called amikit* that is a pre-installed ready to go winuae setup with roms etc, bundled with Clonato's Amiga Forever - (includes the needed roms and workbench) - I have a lot of respect for cloanto's comilation - but it is just that a compilation - the content for the work is not thiers - although they have a couple of programs that are good - amiga-explora and a couple of others that escape me, but by an large, if you took the compilation away, you would be left with Workbench 3.1, 4 encrypted ROM files and a couple of PC-Amiga transfer programs. IMHO the "Amiga.inc" company (along with a lot of others owned or invested in) - is nothing more than a scam to ruse $87m via penti pouri's holdings. Amiga.inc was invovled in coupons scam that netted then $300,000 from committed Amigans, - after an under table shuffle of whom owns what when it came to light that amiga (washington) owed this money and probleably as much again to creditors and contracted people - Amiga (washington) filed bankruptcy - all its assets previously sold - it had nothing to pay anything back - anwyay - another company KRONOS changed its name to Amiga.inc (delaware) - it had the all the *rights* of amiga (washington) - the same people running the show - but none of the debt... You see the company (amiga.inc) is currently being valued at $87Million It has NO assests NO products NO significant sales in the last 10 years, less than 20 STAFF (including share holders) it is a sham - AmigaSTinc is used a money shuffling / perhaps even as a laundering service between the US and Europe - nothing more Who actually OWNS the rights to the ROMS and Workbench is a very good question, no one knows... however they all have little bits of paper saying they have licenses... ... I am sure if this was tested properly in court the large holes will be big enought to drive a car through. |
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22 February 2010, 13:48 | #27 |
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I have my own opinion to amikit, and this my opinion is unpublicable.
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22 February 2010, 14:18 | #28 | |
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It goes along me typing into Workbench's Say program (male voice): 'AmiKit are a bunch of tossers with no real value' There, they couldn't actually sue me because the Amiga said it, not me! |
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22 February 2010, 14:19 | #29 |
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Remember deadwood. Killergorilla could tell the stories.
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22 February 2010, 15:37 | #30 |
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I miss woody57 =(
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22 February 2010, 15:54 | #31 |
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Aye, good old woody
I've not got much to say on the matter, other than what I've said before. Kickstarts should be free, as should workbench. |
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... and there was much rejoice.
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02 March 2010, 04:53 | #33 |
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Just a little bump.
It's still down |
02 March 2010, 09:17 | #34 |
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What KG said... @ Zetro - just thinking about what you said in reply to Djay's idea - whe someone contacts you andyour host, asking that material be removed, how do they prove rights to the material etc? (Just curious to know) |
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http://www.youtube.com/t/copyright_notice (Youtube's disclaimer on Copyright). # I swear that the information contained in this notification is accurate and that I am the copyright owner or have an exclusive right in law to bring infringement proceedings with respect to its use. Does Amikit or Cloanto have exclusive right in Law to bring any Infringement proceedings against anyone hosting Kickstart ?, If not, then they have no legal standing to ask your host to remove them, and they can quite legally be told where to shove their worthless notice. |
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02 March 2010, 11:24 | #36 |
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Don't even bother with Amiga Forever if you're after the original, unmodified kickstarts. Turns out none of them has a CRC32 matching any confirmed revision. No surprise though, they also molested the immaculate bits of the almighty Workbench disks, but you won't be told any of this.
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02 March 2010, 20:27 | #39 |
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Or they'll send you a cease-and-desist and a bill that makes your jaw drop...
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02 March 2010, 20:30 | #40 |
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or no-one will give a damn until someone from EAB runs and tells 'em !
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