Proper HD and WinUAE

Macca · 06 June 2007, 10:52

Basically I have some small <4GB hard-drives around here which I want to use wth UAE to prepare being put back into a proper Amiga (I need some wires to connect it to a proper Amiga you see hence I can't format the HDs in an Amiga).

When I remove all the partitions it says it can't find an empty drive. When I format it, the same again.

I wondered if there was a way I could use this HD with UAE?

Cheers,

M.

killergorilla · 06 June 2007, 11:42

Yeah you can use the drive with WinUAE.

I would GREATLY recommend installing SFS on it as a replacement filesystem over FFS as it's MUCH better.

I wrote a guide a little while back which explains how to setup the drive in WinUAE, format it and start using it with ease

http://wiki.abime.net/amiga:killergo...winuae_realhdd

Macca · 06 June 2007, 11:48

Thanks KG!

When I get to the step where I click on 'Add Hard Drive' I get the message "No hard disks detected that were either empty or RDB-partitioned" and I can't add anything.

Tried it formatted and none formatted - any ideas?

Using latest WinUAE and Vista!

M.

Toni Wilen · 06 June 2007, 11:53

Did you use the "magic" command line parameter? (check readme.txt for more information) WinUAE only considers drive "empty" if first few blocks are zeroed (no PC partition table)

You also need to run WinUAE as administrator.

Shoonay · 06 June 2007, 11:55

USB to teh win!

killergorilla · 06 June 2007, 11:57

Yeah Macca, try running WinUAE from the command line and using the switch:

-disablehardrivesafetycheck

to get it to display the drives. Make sure you don't pick your Windows drive though!

I should add this info to the guide really...

Toni Wilen · 06 June 2007, 12:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoonay

USB to teh win!

Did you really read the original post? USB won't help.

Jimbo · 06 June 2007, 13:03

Dont want to hijack this thread, but seems a good place to stick it. I have a 4.9gig (2.5) drive coming for my A1200 it has 3.1 roms, dont think this makes a difference to the drive size anyway. How do you set up say a 900meg partition for the WB side and the other 4gig partition to be used for games etc in Winuae? I can either plug it into the pc on a cable or I can use it as USB, does it matter which?

Many Thanks

EDIT: OPPPPSS nevermind just saw KG's Walkthrough. Fantastic guide KG

Shoonay · 06 June 2007, 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

USB won't help.

What do you mean Toni? Isn't it possible to connect a hd using a usb2ide adaptor and then after it beign recognized use it with winuae?

Toni Wilen · 06 June 2007, 13:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoonay

What do you mean Toni? Isn't it possible to connect a hd using a usb2ide adaptor and then after it beign recognized use it with winuae?

Of course you can connect with USB adapter but OP's problem isn't connection.

Magic command line parameter is always needed if the drive has PC partition table. Type of interface does not matter (IDE/SCSI/SATA/USB/whatever memory card etc..)

Macca · 06 June 2007, 17:51

Thanks very much KG

Yes you should add it to the guide..

Very good guide - just realised I have a nice 20GB HD (rather than the 3GB that is currently connected) so I'm going to add that tomorrow.

Thank you all for the help!

M.

Jimbo · 07 June 2007, 14:41

Hi

Got my 4.9g HD from ebay today. Rigged it up via usb. It was already formatted before it arrived in NTFS format.

I started winuae from the command line -diasbleharddrivesafetycheck

Winuae loaded up, I was able to select the drive via Add Harddrive. Followed KG'S guide by changing the HDtoolbox icon settings under information to uaehf.device. Load up hdtoolbox but the drive isnt shown?

I used the A1200 quickstart method within UAE to load the WB disk with the drive added in the options.

Any ideas anyone?

Cheers

Jimbo · 07 June 2007, 18:13

Three reboots and it finally found it

Macca · 07 June 2007, 20:49

More help needed I'm afraid.

I've now done the -disableharddrivesafetycheck

However when I click on Add Hard Drive a warning message saying that safety test has been disabled. After clicking okay a couple of times I get to choose the hard-drive I select it (its 40GB) I tick read/write, then click Add Hard Drive and then another couple of warning messages.

In the device list. The device is N/A and the volume is N/A. Then when I run WinUAE it doesn't seem to see the device.

Any ideas?

Cheers,

M.

Jimbo · 07 June 2007, 21:11

i had the same problem as you can see above. I know mine was connected via USB and yours is not. But a few reboots fixed my problem. Might work for you as well

Toni Wilen · 07 June 2007, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macca

In the device list. The device is N/A and the volume is N/A. Then when I run WinUAE it doesn't seem to see the device.

"It"=? N/A is correct.

What are you trying to do? (or do you even know what are you trying to do?

) Have you ever partitioned real Amiga harddrive?

(sorry but I don't really know how to answer your question because it has no useful information)

Jimbo · 07 June 2007, 21:40

Well im no expert. But I think he has the same problem I had. After changing the device in hdtoolbox information and running it. The drive just wouldnt show up. Im not sure if some drives are strange or whatever. But for me 3 reboots and all of a sudden it showed up, then I was able to partition it etc. But mine was USB so that is probably the reason. I have heard rebooting cures most USB HD errors.

Very strange indeed.

Macca · 07 June 2007, 21:45

Right then..

I have gotten much further than before the reason why the hard drive wasn't working is because I was using two hard drives one as a mapped folder to a local drive.

Anyway now I have gotten to the part where I am trying to format it using SFSformat everytime I do it, it errors.

Any ideas?

M.

Toni Wilen · 07 June 2007, 21:47

More (much more really) information please. AmigaOS version? Partition sizes? HDtoolbox version? Followed SFS installation guide exactly?

Jimbo · 07 June 2007, 21:48

What is the error message?

06 June 2007, 10:52	#1
Macca Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Gloucester Posts: 697	Proper HD and WinUAE Basically I have some small <4GB hard-drives around here which I want to use wth UAE to prepare being put back into a proper Amiga (I need some wires to connect it to a proper Amiga you see hence I can't format the HDs in an Amiga). When I remove all the partitions it says it can't find an empty drive. When I format it, the same again. I wondered if there was a way I could use this HD with UAE? Cheers, M.

06 June 2007, 13:03	#8
Jimbo Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Colchester Essex Age: 44 Posts: 822	Dont want to hijack this thread, but seems a good place to stick it. I have a 4.9gig (2.5) drive coming for my A1200 it has 3.1 roms, dont think this makes a difference to the drive size anyway. How do you set up say a 900meg partition for the WB side and the other 4gig partition to be used for games etc in Winuae? I can either plug it into the pc on a cable or I can use it as USB, does it matter which? Many Thanks EDIT: OPPPPSS nevermind just saw KG's Walkthrough. Fantastic guide KG Last edited by Jimbo; 06 June 2007 at 13:20.

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06 June 2007, 11:42	#2
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Yeah you can use the drive with WinUAE. I would GREATLY recommend installing SFS on it as a replacement filesystem over FFS as it's MUCH better. I wrote a guide a little while back which explains how to setup the drive in WinUAE, format it and start using it with ease http://wiki.abime.net/amiga:killergo...winuae_realhdd

06 June 2007, 11:48	#3
Macca Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Gloucester Posts: 697	Thanks KG! When I get to the step where I click on 'Add Hard Drive' I get the message "No hard disks detected that were either empty or RDB-partitioned" and I can't add anything. Tried it formatted and none formatted - any ideas? Using latest WinUAE and Vista! M.

06 June 2007, 11:53	#4
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,526	Did you use the "magic" command line parameter? (check readme.txt for more information) WinUAE only considers drive "empty" if first few blocks are zeroed (no PC partition table) You also need to run WinUAE as administrator.

06 June 2007, 11:55	#5
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,107	USB to teh win!

06 June 2007, 11:57	#6
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Yeah Macca, try running WinUAE from the command line and using the switch: -disablehardrivesafetycheck to get it to display the drives. Make sure you don't pick your Windows drive though! I should add this info to the guide really...

06 June 2007, 17:51	#11
Macca Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Gloucester Posts: 697	Thanks very much KG Yes you should add it to the guide.. Very good guide - just realised I have a nice 20GB HD (rather than the 3GB that is currently connected) so I'm going to add that tomorrow. Thank you all for the help! M.

07 June 2007, 14:41	#12
Jimbo Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Colchester Essex Age: 44 Posts: 822	Hi Got my 4.9g HD from ebay today. Rigged it up via usb. It was already formatted before it arrived in NTFS format. I started winuae from the command line -diasbleharddrivesafetycheck Winuae loaded up, I was able to select the drive via Add Harddrive. Followed KG'S guide by changing the HDtoolbox icon settings under information to uaehf.device. Load up hdtoolbox but the drive isnt shown? I used the A1200 quickstart method within UAE to load the WB disk with the drive added in the options. Any ideas anyone? Cheers

07 June 2007, 18:13	#13
Jimbo Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Colchester Essex Age: 44 Posts: 822	Three reboots and it finally found it

07 June 2007, 20:49	#14
Macca Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Gloucester Posts: 697	More help needed I'm afraid. I've now done the -disableharddrivesafetycheck However when I click on Add Hard Drive a warning message saying that safety test has been disabled. After clicking okay a couple of times I get to choose the hard-drive I select it (its 40GB) I tick read/write, then click Add Hard Drive and then another couple of warning messages. In the device list. The device is N/A and the volume is N/A. Then when I run WinUAE it doesn't seem to see the device. Any ideas? Cheers, M.

07 June 2007, 21:11	#15
Jimbo Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Colchester Essex Age: 44 Posts: 822	i had the same problem as you can see above. I know mine was connected via USB and yours is not. But a few reboots fixed my problem. Might work for you as well

07 June 2007, 21:40	#17
Jimbo Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Colchester Essex Age: 44 Posts: 822	Well im no expert. But I think he has the same problem I had. After changing the device in hdtoolbox information and running it. The drive just wouldnt show up. Im not sure if some drives are strange or whatever. But for me 3 reboots and all of a sudden it showed up, then I was able to partition it etc. But mine was USB so that is probably the reason. I have heard rebooting cures most USB HD errors. Very strange indeed.

07 June 2007, 21:45	#18
Macca Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Gloucester Posts: 697	Right then.. I have gotten much further than before the reason why the hard drive wasn't working is because I was using two hard drives one as a mapped folder to a local drive. Anyway now I have gotten to the part where I am trying to format it using SFSformat everytime I do it, it errors. Any ideas? M.

07 June 2007, 21:47	#19
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,526	More (much more really) information please. AmigaOS version? Partition sizes? HDtoolbox version? Followed SFS installation guide exactly?

07 June 2007, 21:48	#20
Jimbo Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Colchester Essex Age: 44 Posts: 822	What is the error message?

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