problem in Predator 2

14 April 2005, 08:56

In Atari ST,Amiga version of predator 2: i don't find Tree attached to a rope for kill predator ?

In all other version i kill predator by this method?

hipoonios · 22 May 2011, 20:06

I have the same problem.

I reached the last boss. But he is impossible to kill.

I have almost full lives, all continues left and 4 rockets... But nothing kill's him.

Youtube video: [ Show youtube player ]

He seem to need 5 rockets. But there is only 4 on the level. Bad crack perhaps? I used the Skid Row release.

I tried with cheat on (unlimited rockets). Then he dies with 5 rockets.

dlfrsilver · 22 May 2011, 23:51

This game is using a copylock + MFM format. I wouldn't be surprised that like Robozone the copylock has not been cracked properly.

StingRay · 23 May 2011, 00:07

I'll have a look.

Galahad/FLT · 23 May 2011, 00:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

This game is using a copylock + MFM format. I wouldn't be surprised that like Robozone the copylock has not been cracked properly.

Theres nothing special about the Copylock.

Games loads the main code file, does the Copylock and then enters the menu options before the title sequence.

As far as I am aware, Arc developments didn't ever do anything meaningful with a Copylock other than a serial key check.

StingRay · 23 May 2011, 11:24

The Copylock is indeed nothing special, just returns the key in d0 and stores it at $60.w. I doubt there are checksums either but didn't check yet.

Disk 2 is bootable btw and contains the intro.

Galahad/FLT · 23 May 2011, 11:51

Pretty sure if memory serves (i'm remembering everything here!), it goes back to disk 1 for the end picture as well.

Problem for Predator 2, is its so fucking hard, I doubt anyone could reasonably complete it without cheating, hence why the 5th rocket bug has never been picked up on.

Arc also got a mastering error on Crackdown, so they're not too fantastic at quality control

hipoonios · 24 May 2011, 19:38

I think you remember wrong. Or maybe Skid-Row fixed it to avoid unnecessary disk swapping.

Disk 1 contains the intro + the first 3 levels. Disk 2 contains only level 4 + the ending.

Anyway, I have given up on this game now.

kipper2k · 24 May 2011, 20:29

How do these games actually get their game speed settinggs, do they use the RTC, loops or other methods that may be used to actually slow down gameplay a bit... i know its cheating a bit but there are some crazy hard games out there.

hipoonios · 24 May 2011, 20:39

I managed to play through the game by slow down Winuae to 10 fps

You can see my videos here: [ Show youtube player ] | [ Show youtube player ]

s2325 · 24 May 2011, 23:22

thank you

Galahad/FLT · 25 May 2011, 01:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipoonios

I think you remember wrong. Or maybe Skid-Row fixed it to avoid unnecessary disk swapping.

Disk 1 contains the intro + the first 3 levels. Disk 2 contains only level 4 + the ending.

Anyway, I have given up on this game now.

I had the original, and on the original, intro on disk 1 and end picture, and rest of game on disk 2

I think this explains everything.... Skid Row.

The Company also cracked a version.

Hewitson · 25 May 2011, 06:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by kipper2k

How do these games actually get their game speed settinggs, do they use the RTC, loops or other methods that may be used to actually slow down gameplay a bit... i know its cheating a bit but there are some crazy hard games out there.

Standard A500 has no RTC. Timing revolves around vblank (50/60hz).

StingRay · 26 May 2011, 11:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipoonios

I think you remember wrong. Or maybe Skid-Row fixed it to avoid unnecessary disk swapping.

I just had a look and I'm pretty sure the Kids Blow version is not 100% since you can't boot from disk 2 and thus won't ever be able to watch the intro. The code and everything for it is on the disk but since there's no bootblock you can't boot from disk 2 for obvious reasons. So either the NTSC version was made like that (contrary to the PAL version where you can boot from disk 2) or the Skid Row version is not 100%. I have my guess already.

The Company version is fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipoonios

Disk 1 contains the intro + the first 3 levels. Disk 2 contains only level 4 + the ending.

Disk 2 also contains an intro as I already wrote.

dlfrsilver · 26 May 2011, 12:32

the NTSC release use a different format compared to the PAL release.

In this, The whdload install for it doesn't work with the PAL release.

StingRay · 26 May 2011, 12:43

Disk format is exactly the same for both versions.

dlfrsilver · 26 May 2011, 15:15

there is a problem then, because the actual whdload install doesn't work on my original version. Do you want to take a look ?

14 April 2005, 08:56	#1
henry Posts: n/a	problem in Predator 2 In Atari ST,Amiga version of predator 2: i don't find Tree attached to a rope for kill predator ? In all other version i kill predator by this method?

24 May 2011, 19:38	#8
hipoonios Amiga Hardcore Gamer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sweden Age: 46 Posts: 1,207	I think you remember wrong. Or maybe Skid-Row fixed it to avoid unnecessary disk swapping. Disk 1 contains the intro + the first 3 levels. Disk 2 contains only level 4 + the ending. Anyway, I have given up on this game now. Last edited by hipoonios; 24 May 2011 at 20:36.

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22 May 2011, 20:06	#2
hipoonios Amiga Hardcore Gamer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sweden Age: 46 Posts: 1,207	I have the same problem. I reached the last boss. But he is impossible to kill. I have almost full lives, all continues left and 4 rockets... But nothing kill's him. Youtube video: [ Show youtube player ] He seem to need 5 rockets. But there is only 4 on the level. Bad crack perhaps? I used the Skid Row release. I tried with cheat on (unlimited rockets). Then he dies with 5 rockets.

22 May 2011, 23:51	#3
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	This game is using a copylock + MFM format. I wouldn't be surprised that like Robozone the copylock has not been cracked properly.

23 May 2011, 00:07	#4
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,863	I'll have a look.

23 May 2011, 11:24	#6
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,863	The Copylock is indeed nothing special, just returns the key in d0 and stores it at $60.w. I doubt there are checksums either but didn't check yet. Disk 2 is bootable btw and contains the intro.

23 May 2011, 11:51	#7
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,986	Pretty sure if memory serves (i'm remembering everything here!), it goes back to disk 1 for the end picture as well. Problem for Predator 2, is its so fucking hard, I doubt anyone could reasonably complete it without cheating, hence why the 5th rocket bug has never been picked up on. Arc also got a mastering error on Crackdown, so they're not too fantastic at quality control

24 May 2011, 20:29	#9
kipper2k Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Thunder Bay, Canada Posts: 4,323	How do these games actually get their game speed settinggs, do they use the RTC, loops or other methods that may be used to actually slow down gameplay a bit... i know its cheating a bit but there are some crazy hard games out there.

24 May 2011, 20:39	#10
hipoonios Amiga Hardcore Gamer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sweden Age: 46 Posts: 1,207	I managed to play through the game by slow down Winuae to 10 fps You can see my videos here: [ Show youtube player ] \| [ Show youtube player ]

24 May 2011, 23:22	#11
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	thank you

26 May 2011, 12:32	#15
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	the NTSC release use a different format compared to the PAL release. In this, The whdload install for it doesn't work with the PAL release.

26 May 2011, 12:43	#16
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,863	Disk format is exactly the same for both versions.

26 May 2011, 15:15	#17
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	there is a problem then, because the actual whdload install doesn't work on my original version. Do you want to take a look ?

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