Standard Amiga Graphics Environment (SAGE)

Toni Wilen · 13 July 2015, 13:02

Wanted: Standard Amiga Graphics Environment (SAGE) RTG software. SAGE was first Amiga RTG environment that never become popular and seems to have disappeared completely.

Boards that supported SAGE: (Possibly others?)

http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/resolver (Sort of improved A2410)
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/vivid24 (Even more improved A2410 and much more or something like that..)

Some information:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...er/UbBUrY8IUa4
ftp://ftp.scene.org/mirrors/amigascn...ia-Utopia1.txt

Michael Sykes · 13 July 2015, 16:06

One other at least...

http://amiga.resource.cx/search.pl?p...&base=dec&pid=

Quote:

SAGE Library: over 200 graphic functions, with 2D and 3D graphic libraries: LINEDRAW, POLYDRAW, CUBICSPLINE, PHONGSHADE, GOURADSHADE, and more.

thor · 13 July 2015, 22:40

vividinstall.dms from http://bboah-hardware.de/cgi-bin/drivers.cgi has sage.library and two demos.

The Phil MacGovern who worked at DMI and is mentioned in both of your last links, can be found via LinkedIn.

Image Engine (G2 Systems) has a TMS 34020 too.

brknck · 07 August 2016, 14:46

There was one game that was compatible with SAGE.

Megafortress of all games. On disk one there is a last minute txt file that has the following content:

== START ==

Changes made to Amiga Megafortress after the manual addendum was printed:

- SAGE support was added

SAGE, the Standard Amiga Graphics Extension, allows programs to access
extended graphics hardware without having to know the specifics of that
hardware. Amiga Megafortress will put its 3D graphics displays on the
first SAGE board it finds, if you specify a mode number to use on the
Megafortress command line.

For example, from CLI, to run Megafortress on your SAGE display using
Mode 2, then you would type "Mega 2".

== SNIP ==

From an old post from 1992 here:

http://www.verycomputer.com/2_d9ce8695e1b70b54_1.htm

emufan · 17 September 2016, 21:33

i got a PM by moloch - he found the vivid24 install disk on bboah drivers downlod website:

vividinstall.dms
Installation disk for the Vivid 24
[Submitted by Takahasi Kasiko]
V38.1

there is some SAGE stuff included.

#1) already mentioned, but to let you not forget about the test tool: vividcompare.

Toni Wilen · 02 July 2017, 10:12

Finally tried vividinstall and megafortress but without success.

"OpenSAGE Error 10, Requested unit not found" says all vividinstall programs and megafortress also mentiones error 10. (With A2410 enabled)

So I guess vividinstall sage stuff is not full package?

mark_k · 02 July 2017, 13:35

It seems specific to the Vivid board, e.g. there's SAGE/Libs/vivid.library, SAGE/Exec/VIVID.OUT, the latter being TMS34020 code I guess?

Toni Wilen · 02 July 2017, 14:59

All the SAGE stuff seems to have disappeared..

Unfortunately Vivid24 has TMS 34020 which is much more complex than 34010.

gulliver · 03 July 2017, 08:11

This is al I found out about SAGE:

SAGE (Standard Amiga Graphics Environment)

It is a standard way for applications programs to access the graphics processors currently available for the
Amiga the University of Lowell Board from Commodore, the Resolver from DMI, and the Rambrandt from PP&S
between others. SAGE allows the hardware to become transparent to the software.
It is a system designed specifically around the Texas Instruments TMS340x0 family of graphics chips that support
TIGA 2.2 which is to put it simply, a sort of graphics language.
PP&S and Digital Micronics Inc. (DMI), with Commodore's cooperation, established this
standard at the Amiga Developer's Conference in Denver. Developers interested in SAGE could obtain the
professional developer's kit, which included manual, SAGE libraries, and source code examples. This
complete kit was available for the nominal fee of $300.

Hardware support:

CBM A2410
DMI Resolver
DMI Vivid24
G2 Systems Image Engine
PP&S Rambrandt

software support:

Art Department Professional (ADPro)
Image Master
ImageFX
Draw 4D Professional (planed but unconfirmed)
DynaCADD (planed but unconfirmed)
Professional Page 3.0 (planed but unconfirmed)
Imagine (planed but unconfirmed)
Caligari 2 (planed but unconfirmed)
Aegis AniMagic (planed but unconfirmed)
Aegis Video Titler (planed but unconfirmed)
Aegis Presentation Master (planed but unconfirmed)
DiskMaster (which has an image viewer in it) (planed but unconfirmed)
3D Professional (planed but unconfirmed)
Megafortress (read the LastMinute.txt file on disk 1 for info on how to get into it)

Toni Wilen · 03 July 2017, 08:32

Yeah, not much info available. SAGE probably was quite useless anyway (and hardware was EXPENSIVE) but thats not the point

Unfortunately A2410 or DMI Resolver SAGE driver is MIA. (Both use TMS34010 and probably are very similar), which makes any SAGE-compatible software useless.

gulliver · 03 July 2017, 09:31

@Toni

Just a long shot:

To support SAGE, developer needed this developer´s kit, so as AEON bought ImageFX (http://www.amigafuture.de/viewtopic....22bf5659ca5342), you could ask Trevor Dick to take a look into the source code and find out if there is something there to help you (maybe when they bought ImageFX, and it came along with the sourcecode they have this developers kit, or at least he can let you peek into the sourcecode files that have that support code).

Long shot, I know.

rygar · 03 July 2017, 21:13

Some more info here:
http://www.verycomputer.com/2_ca52f8ccac3aaa23_1.htm

and here is nice article:
http://obligement.free.fr/articles/resolver.php

I'm sure that someone who written this article should have all nessesery files.

kamelito · 04 July 2017, 07:47

@Rygar
The guy who wrote the article is a friend of mine and I'm pretty sure he don't have it.
Kamelito

emufan · 04 July 2017, 16:10

Emplant_v5.0/MAC_EMU/Video_Drivers
--> VividQDVideo1024x768.jdc
--> VividVideo1024x768.jdc

=> Jim Drew

Toni Wilen · 04 July 2017, 18:07

Seems useless. Card specific driver (and it sounds like it isn't SAGE driver) and it is for card that has TMS34020.

gulliver · 12 February 2018, 05:52

I found by chance in those BBS uploads users have made a TVPaint 2.0 demo for SAGE.

I have uploaded both files to The Zone!

Toni Wilen · 12 February 2018, 15:45

Same problem again, it needs SAGE install package which has disappeared completely..

emufan · 08 March 2018, 20:29

1689 - Sage 24 Devel (1-2).DMS
1690 - Sage 24 Devel (2-2).DMS

gulliver · 08 March 2018, 20:41

That seems to be pure gold!

Lets hope Toni can make something out of it.

emufan · 08 March 2018, 21:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by gulliver

That seems to be pure gold!

yep, kinda. maybe it's the US$ 300 kit you are talking about above.

17 September 2016, 21:33	#5
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	i got a PM by moloch - he found the vivid24 install disk on bboah drivers downlod website: vividinstall.dms Installation disk for the Vivid 24 [Submitted by Takahasi Kasiko] V38.1 there is some SAGE stuff included. #1) already mentioned, but to let you not forget about the test tool: vividcompare. Last edited by emufan; 17 September 2016 at 22:55.

03 July 2017, 21:13	#12
rygar Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 1,294	Some more info here: http://www.verycomputer.com/2_ca52f8ccac3aaa23_1.htm and here is nice article: http://obligement.free.fr/articles/resolver.php I'm sure that someone who written this article should have all nessesery files. Last edited by rygar; 04 July 2017 at 07:40.

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13 July 2015, 13:02	#1
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Standard Amiga Graphics Environment (SAGE) Wanted: Standard Amiga Graphics Environment (SAGE) RTG software. SAGE was first Amiga RTG environment that never become popular and seems to have disappeared completely. Boards that supported SAGE: (Possibly others?) http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/resolver (Sort of improved A2410) http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/vivid24 (Even more improved A2410 and much more or something like that..) Some information: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...er/UbBUrY8IUa4 ftp://ftp.scene.org/mirrors/amigascn...ia-Utopia1.txt

13 July 2015, 22:40	#3
thor Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 899	vividinstall.dms from http://bboah-hardware.de/cgi-bin/drivers.cgi has sage.library and two demos. The Phil MacGovern who worked at DMI and is mentioned in both of your last links, can be found via LinkedIn. Image Engine (G2 Systems) has a TMS 34020 too.

07 August 2016, 14:46	#4
brknck Amiga Tinkerer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Zealand Age: 47 Posts: 31	There was one game that was compatible with SAGE. Megafortress of all games. On disk one there is a last minute txt file that has the following content: == START == Changes made to Amiga Megafortress after the manual addendum was printed: - SAGE support was added SAGE, the Standard Amiga Graphics Extension, allows programs to access extended graphics hardware without having to know the specifics of that hardware. Amiga Megafortress will put its 3D graphics displays on the first SAGE board it finds, if you specify a mode number to use on the Megafortress command line. For example, from CLI, to run Megafortress on your SAGE display using Mode 2, then you would type "Mega 2". == SNIP == From an old post from 1992 here: http://www.verycomputer.com/2_d9ce8695e1b70b54_1.htm

02 July 2017, 10:12	#6
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Finally tried vividinstall and megafortress but without success. "OpenSAGE Error 10, Requested unit not found" says all vividinstall programs and megafortress also mentiones error 10. (With A2410 enabled) So I guess vividinstall sage stuff is not full package?

02 July 2017, 13:35	#7
mark_k Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Posts: 3,333	It seems specific to the Vivid board, e.g. there's SAGE/Libs/vivid.library, SAGE/Exec/VIVID.OUT, the latter being TMS34020 code I guess?

02 July 2017, 14:59	#8
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	All the SAGE stuff seems to have disappeared.. Unfortunately Vivid24 has TMS 34020 which is much more complex than 34010.

03 July 2017, 08:11	#9
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	This is al I found out about SAGE: SAGE (Standard Amiga Graphics Environment) It is a standard way for applications programs to access the graphics processors currently available for the Amiga the University of Lowell Board from Commodore, the Resolver from DMI, and the Rambrandt from PP&S between others. SAGE allows the hardware to become transparent to the software. It is a system designed specifically around the Texas Instruments TMS340x0 family of graphics chips that support TIGA 2.2 which is to put it simply, a sort of graphics language. PP&S and Digital Micronics Inc. (DMI), with Commodore's cooperation, established this standard at the Amiga Developer's Conference in Denver. Developers interested in SAGE could obtain the professional developer's kit, which included manual, SAGE libraries, and source code examples. This complete kit was available for the nominal fee of $300. Hardware support: CBM A2410 DMI Resolver DMI Vivid24 G2 Systems Image Engine PP&S Rambrandt software support: Art Department Professional (ADPro) Image Master ImageFX Draw 4D Professional (planed but unconfirmed) DynaCADD (planed but unconfirmed) Professional Page 3.0 (planed but unconfirmed) Imagine (planed but unconfirmed) Caligari 2 (planed but unconfirmed) Aegis AniMagic (planed but unconfirmed) Aegis Video Titler (planed but unconfirmed) Aegis Presentation Master (planed but unconfirmed) DiskMaster (which has an image viewer in it) (planed but unconfirmed) 3D Professional (planed but unconfirmed) Megafortress (read the LastMinute.txt file on disk 1 for info on how to get into it)

03 July 2017, 08:32	#10
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Yeah, not much info available. SAGE probably was quite useless anyway (and hardware was EXPENSIVE) but thats not the point Unfortunately A2410 or DMI Resolver SAGE driver is MIA. (Both use TMS34010 and probably are very similar), which makes any SAGE-compatible software useless.

03 July 2017, 09:31	#11
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	@Toni Just a long shot: To support SAGE, developer needed this developer´s kit, so as AEON bought ImageFX (http://www.amigafuture.de/viewtopic....22bf5659ca5342), you could ask Trevor Dick to take a look into the source code and find out if there is something there to help you (maybe when they bought ImageFX, and it came along with the sourcecode they have this developers kit, or at least he can let you peek into the sourcecode files that have that support code). Long shot, I know.

04 July 2017, 07:47	#13
kamelito Zone Friend Join Date: May 2006 Location: France Posts: 1,801	@Rygar The guy who wrote the article is a friend of mine and I'm pretty sure he don't have it. Kamelito

04 July 2017, 16:10	#14
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	Emplant_v5.0/MAC_EMU/Video_Drivers --> VividQDVideo1024x768.jdc --> VividVideo1024x768.jdc => Jim Drew

04 July 2017, 18:07	#15
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Seems useless. Card specific driver (and it sounds like it isn't SAGE driver) and it is for card that has TMS34020.

12 February 2018, 05:52	#16
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	I found by chance in those BBS uploads users have made a TVPaint 2.0 demo for SAGE. I have uploaded both files to The Zone!

12 February 2018, 15:45	#17
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Same problem again, it needs SAGE install package which has disappeared completely..

08 March 2018, 20:29	#18
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	1689 - Sage 24 Devel (1-2).DMS 1690 - Sage 24 Devel (2-2).DMS

08 March 2018, 20:41	#19
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	That seems to be pure gold! Lets hope Toni can make something out of it.

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