AmigaOS 3.1.4 successor wishlist - Page 9

Mikerochip · 10 June 2019, 00:01

Well ...

If I get a vote...

since I just bought 3.1.4 for my A1200 (stock) and 8MB trapdoor expansion, I vote for both of those to work with the PCMCIA NIC at the same time

gulliver · 10 June 2019, 02:09

Please respect others who think different and have voiced their dissenting opinion in a respectful manner.

Every opinion is important, so keep them coming.

flype · 23 June 2019, 08:39

Small wishlist for OpenWindowTagList()

Window flags-> WA_AlwaysOnTop

About the PowerWindowsNG-like feature :
Window flags-> WA_ForbidOutOfScreen

Locutus · 23 June 2019, 09:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Abbott

One of the most popular programming languages in use today is Python, and all its keywords are English! Disgusting.

Just for you:

https://github.com/gasolin/zhpy/blob.../teashop.tw.py
https://github.com/renyuanL/pythonTu...tle_tc.py#L504

<3

Bruce Abbott · 23 June 2019, 11:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locutus

Just for you:

https://github.com/gasolin/zhpy/blob.../teashop.tw.py
https://github.com/renyuanL/pythonTu...tle_tc.py#L504

<3

"By default, Python source files are treated as encoded in UTF-8. In that encoding, characters of most languages in the world can be used simultaneously in string literals, identifiers and comments — although the standard library only uses ASCII characters for identifiers, a convention that any portable code should follow."

Locutus · 23 June 2019, 16:40

I'm at loss how that blocks one from writing code in non-ASCII, on the contrary. The code standard library being *by convention* only in ASCII makes sense as it has a diverse base of contributors and consumers.

This is exactly why such translation 'bindings' exist, ....but oh well.

I once joked about these examples to a Chinese colleague of mine, and she told me its not actually all that uncommon to see internal use utility code (build, CI, tests etc) exactly like this.

Endresult, non-latin code is real and will only be larger and larger.

EzdineG · 12 July 2019, 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by EzdineG

I would like to see a command line switch that prevents the new setpatch from scanning the IDE bus mid boot on every boot.

This has doubled the boot time of any machine I’ve installed 3.1.4 to, and I understand this is to address an LED issue that doesn’t even apply to most machines anyway.

setpatch /noscan

Thanks!

Thomas, I see this has been included in 3.1.4.1 as

setpatch NODRIVELEDPATCH

My system now boots without the annoying 4-5 second pause.

Thank you!

esel · 12 July 2019, 22:01

Not working here.. After nodriveledpatch i still have to weit 5 seconds.

Thomas Richter · 12 July 2019, 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by esel

Not working here.. After nodriveledpatch i still have to weit 5 seconds.

The option is working, you can check which patches SetPatch applied by calling it without command arguments after the system booted. Note, however, that this option is not documented for a reason. Leaving out a bug fix is rarely a good idea. If the computer seems to be waiting, it probably isn't waiting at all but doing important business. There are many things SetPatch may be doing. For example, building MMU tables. Depending on the available main memory, this may take a while.

EzdineG · 14 July 2019, 05:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by esel

Not working here.. After nodriveledpatch i still have to weit 5 seconds.

Works fine here.

I can confirm that adding the option completely removes the delay for me. I’m back to 3.1 boot speeds!

Jope · 22 July 2019, 12:04

Center background image in wbpattern.prefs/workbench.library please!

Thomas Richter · 22 July 2019, 13:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

Center background image in wbpattern.prefs/workbench.library please!

Noted and already taken care of.

Jope · 22 July 2019, 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Richter

Noted and already taken care of.

Cheers, thought it might probably be there already.

What is your thought on a screen menu / window menu by long pressing or right clicking the screen / window depth gadgets? The clunky window manager benefits quite a lot from being able to directly select what you want. :-)

Thomas Richter · 22 July 2019, 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

What is your thought on a screen menu / window menu by long pressing or right clicking the screen / window depth gadgets? The clunky window manager benefits quite a lot from being able to directly select what you want. :-)

AmigaOs doesn't have a window manager, it has Intuition. (-: The major showstopper for any improvement here is Cybergraphics, which does not work on anything but the V40 greenhill C compiled version, a compiler that is long obsolete, only runs on SUN Sparcs, and thus is lost in space & time.

Thus, I'm pretty conservative with any changes that requires a new intuition as we need to stay compatible with V40 as much as we can, such that at worst only some "eye candy" features are affected.

demolition · 22 July 2019, 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Richter

The major showstopper for any improvement here is Cybergraphics, which does not work on anything but the V40 greenhill C compiled version, a compiler that is long obsolete, only runs on SUN Sparcs, and thus is lost in space & time.

Do you need actual SUN hw for it or can it be run through an emulator? Even if you could emulate it, then it still wouldn't be a nice long-term solution and while it should be possible to re-write a compatible version that builds on a modern compiler, I'm guessing it would be a big undertaking?

Jope · 22 July 2019, 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Richter

Thus, I'm pretty conservative with any changes that requires a new intuition as we need to stay compatible with V40 as much as we can, such that at worst only some "eye candy" features are affected.

Could the development continue in the V45 intuition branch? Everyone gets to break CGX if they like by loading the new library, but the ROM can have the old one. :-)

daxb · 22 July 2019, 17:10

@Jope:
So long you can use MCP for windows menu and screen menu if you like.

Thomas Richter · 22 July 2019, 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by demolition

Do you need actual SUN hw for it or can it be run through an emulator? Even if you could emulate it, then it still wouldn't be a nice long-term solution and while it should be possible to re-write a compatible version that builds on a modern compiler, I'm guessing it would be a big undertaking?

The problem is not so much the Sun or the compiler. The problem seems to be (current state of the analysis) that CGfx depends on the specific stack layout and register allocation of this particular compiler. The problem P96 and also CGfx have to solve is that they require one particular piece of information (namely the monitor ID of the screen to open) that is not available on the V40 interface (though is now available). So both P96 and CGFx "go fishing" on the stack frame. Even with the same compiler, it may still happen that CGfx stops working just by changing the code, and by that implicitly changing the register allocation and the stack frame.

It would not be a major problem to update CGfx for the new interface (no major one, just some work), and it would neither be a major problem to emulate the same interface with some assembly stubs in V45, but for that, one would need to know what the CGfx code exactly expects.

However, this is the same problem as with all other P5 software. "No documentation, no talk, no information, ..."

Jope · 22 July 2019, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by daxb

@Jope:
So long you can use MCP for windows menu and screen menu if you like.

Yes, I can of course continue pouring a ton of patches on top. I don't remember what provides this service for me currently, not MCP though. :-)

frakswe · 09 August 2019, 19:12

A function to keep vga modes alive on reset. (something like bootctrl on aminet)

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10 June 2019, 00:01	#161
Mikerochip Registered User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ireland Posts: 304	Well ... If I get a vote... since I just bought 3.1.4 for my A1200 (stock) and 8MB trapdoor expansion, I vote for both of those to work with the PCMCIA NIC at the same time

10 June 2019, 02:09	#162
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	Please respect others who think different and have voiced their dissenting opinion in a respectful manner. Every opinion is important, so keep them coming.

23 June 2019, 08:39	#163
flype Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: France Posts: 104	Small wishlist for OpenWindowTagList() Window flags-> WA_AlwaysOnTop About the PowerWindowsNG-like feature : Window flags-> WA_ForbidOutOfScreen

23 June 2019, 16:40	#166
Locutus Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Finland Posts: 1,175	I'm at loss how that blocks one from writing code in non-ASCII, on the contrary. The code standard library being by convention only in ASCII makes sense as it has a diverse base of contributors and consumers. This is exactly why such translation 'bindings' exist, ....but oh well. I once joked about these examples to a Chinese colleague of mine, and she told me its not actually all that uncommon to see internal use utility code (build, CI, tests etc) exactly like this. Endresult, non-latin code is real and will only be larger and larger.

12 July 2019, 22:01	#168
esel Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Kassel Posts: 160	Not working here.. After nodriveledpatch i still have to weit 5 seconds.

22 July 2019, 12:04	#171
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	Center background image in wbpattern.prefs/workbench.library please!

22 July 2019, 17:10	#177
daxb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 3,303	@Jope: So long you can use MCP for windows menu and screen menu if you like.

09 August 2019, 19:12	#180
frakswe Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Laughingstock Age: 45 Posts: 23	A function to keep vga modes alive on reset. (something like bootctrl on aminet)

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