Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure (original dump) for WHDLoad patch - Page 3

CFou! · 29 March 2023, 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by stainy

After a load of horrible noises I can get the disk to show in workbench in Winuae
BILL & TED'S ADVENTUR but it shows 1% full and no contents.

It's normal.
There are a track loader in boot block and there are not ADOS files on the disk

dlfrsilver · 29 March 2023, 20:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by stainy

Not looking good for the disk image.
E:\GW>gw read Bill/track00.0.raw --revs=5 --tracks=c=0-83
Reading c=0-83:h=0-1 revs=5
Command Failed: GetFluxStatus: No Index

Stainy, have you been able to read the disks ?

you either don't use the right cable (have you ever used the GW to dump an original disk ?)

I will try to help, in order to make an IPF out of your disks.

stainy · 29 March 2023, 21:21

Yes I've used it a few times. You helped me dump that early version of Monkey Business
Monkey

CFou! · 29 March 2023, 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

Stainy, have you been able to read the disks ?

you either don't use the right cable (have you ever used the GW to dump an original disk ?)

I will try to help, in order to make an IPF out of your disks.

NoIndex i must be for last tracks (81-83)

dlfrsilver · 29 March 2023, 22:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by stainy

Yes I've used it a few times. You helped me dump that early version of Monkey Business
Monkey

True, can you make dumps of your disks Bill & Ted and send it to me ?

Thanks

stainy · 30 March 2023, 02:36

I can`t Denis..

E:\GW>gw read Bill/track00.0.raw --revs=5 --tracks=c=0-83
Reading c=0-83:h=0-1 revs=5
Command Failed: GetFluxStatus: No Index

This is what I get

alexh · 30 March 2023, 09:50

Have you tried to image a different disk to rule out the floppy drive?

stainy · 30 March 2023, 12:04

Yes I have. I created an .scp of a Kick Off 2 disk and that images and loads fine in Winuae

alexh · 30 March 2023, 12:48

Without touching the surface of the disk hold open the shutter and rotate the disk manually by rotating the metal circle on the back of the disk.

Look to see the magnetic surface rotates. If it does, look at the magnetic surface for obvious areas of discolouration / dirt / mould on each side.

dlfrsilver · 30 March 2023, 12:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by stainy

I can`t Denis..

E:\GW>gw read Bill/track00.0.raw --revs=5 --tracks=c=0-83
Reading c=0-83:h=0-1 revs=5
Command Failed: GetFluxStatus: No Index

This is what I get

It's impossible that the GW could make an SCP file, and not a kryoflux file.

Otherwise, check if the disk has disoldered from the central metal support in the floppy disk.

If it has bad luck. Hope for you is that another guy (Dr Bong) sent me a RAW file, and i made an IPF out of it.

Check in the zone.

stainy · 30 March 2023, 22:43

I said I could make a scp file and raw files from a known working disk.
I have already looked at the disk.. it rotates ok .. I`ll try a 50/50 IPA/water on it... see if that does anything. I`ll be very careful.
It doesn`t have any obvious discolourisation or marks on the disk.

TCD · 31 March 2023, 16:40

I know it sucks that the disk isn't working, but maybe you could distract yourself by scanning?

stainy · 01 April 2023, 02:41

I`m working from home tomorrow and then have the next two days off.. So I`ll get it done then

TCD · 01 April 2023, 07:24

Great

Fingers crossed the disk can be salvaged too

stainy · 03 April 2023, 00:47

Uploaded all the scans.

TCD · 03 April 2023, 07:48

Thank you stainy

I'll add them today

Could you also make a scan of the disk?

stainy · 03 April 2023, 13:10

oops! yes

Done

TCD · 03 April 2023, 13:19

Perfect

All items have been added to the HOL entry now

thinkyhead · 06 November 2023, 20:59

Greetings!

Back in 1990 I wrote the code for the Amiga port of "Bill 'n' Ted's Excellent Adventure" in DevPac using a custom framework, if anyone has any questions pertaining to the custom bootsector loader or any other technical aspects of the game or its development.

I also wrote the Amiga game "Dino Wars" so there is some code shared between these two games. The source code for both games is long lost. The code for BnT was last held by Off the Wall Productions (Michtron) and Capstone.

It could be a fun project to reconstitute the source code for these games using a disassembler in an emulator. The code contains a blitter-based MFM encoder/decoder and Dino Wars has a custom algorithm to optimally draw large blitter objects with the data organized in vertical strips. The LZH decoder in BnT isn't too shabby, either. They also include a Tracker Player, and BnT includes a delta animator.

alexh · 06 November 2023, 21:50

Thanks for finding this thread. If you have anything from back in the day... development disks, partial source code, anything you can release we'd love it.

Even better if you had a working original copy.

29 March 2023, 21:21	#43
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NC, USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,712	hi Yes I've used it a few times. You helped me dump that early version of Monkey Business Monkey

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30 March 2023, 02:36	#46
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NC, USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,712	I can`t Denis.. E:\GW>gw read Bill/track00.0.raw --revs=5 --tracks=c=0-83 Reading c=0-83:h=0-1 revs=5 Command Failed: GetFluxStatus: No Index This is what I get

30 March 2023, 09:50	#47
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,379	Have you tried to image a different disk to rule out the floppy drive?

30 March 2023, 12:04	#48
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NC, USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,712	Yes I have. I created an .scp of a Kick Off 2 disk and that images and loads fine in Winuae

30 March 2023, 12:48	#49
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,379	Without touching the surface of the disk hold open the shutter and rotate the disk manually by rotating the metal circle on the back of the disk. Look to see the magnetic surface rotates. If it does, look at the magnetic surface for obvious areas of discolouration / dirt / mould on each side.

30 March 2023, 22:43	#51
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NC, USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,712	I said I could make a scp file and raw files from a known working disk. I have already looked at the disk.. it rotates ok .. I`ll try a 50/50 IPA/water on it... see if that does anything. I`ll be very careful. It doesn`t have any obvious discolourisation or marks on the disk.

31 March 2023, 16:40	#52
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,691	I know it sucks that the disk isn't working, but maybe you could distract yourself by scanning?

01 April 2023, 02:41	#53
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NC, USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,712	I`m working from home tomorrow and then have the next two days off.. So I`ll get it done then

01 April 2023, 07:24	#54
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,691	Great Fingers crossed the disk can be salvaged too

03 April 2023, 00:47	#55
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NC, USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,712	Uploaded all the scans.

03 April 2023, 07:48	#56
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,691	Thank you stainy I'll add them today Could you also make a scan of the disk?

03 April 2023, 13:10	#57
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NC, USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,712	oops! yes Done

03 April 2023, 13:19	#58
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,691	Perfect All items have been added to the HOL entry now

06 November 2023, 20:59	#59
thinkyhead Software Developer Join Date: Sep 2023 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2	Greetings! Back in 1990 I wrote the code for the Amiga port of "Bill 'n' Ted's Excellent Adventure" in DevPac using a custom framework, if anyone has any questions pertaining to the custom bootsector loader or any other technical aspects of the game or its development. I also wrote the Amiga game "Dino Wars" so there is some code shared between these two games. The source code for both games is long lost. The code for BnT was last held by Off the Wall Productions (Michtron) and Capstone. It could be a fun project to reconstitute the source code for these games using a disassembler in an emulator. The code contains a blitter-based MFM encoder/decoder and Dino Wars has a custom algorithm to optimally draw large blitter objects with the data organized in vertical strips. The LZH decoder in BnT isn't too shabby, either. They also include a Tracker Player, and BnT includes a delta animator.

06 November 2023, 21:50	#60
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,379	Thanks for finding this thread. If you have anything from back in the day... development disks, partial source code, anything you can release we'd love it. Even better if you had a working original copy.

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