Franken-A3640-060 project-Anybody Game? - Page 2

Zetr0 · 15 July 2010, 04:54

@aperez

Any joy - or total misery?

aperez · 15 July 2010, 06:52

Very promising, actually. We'll see if the promised goods show up in the mail.

rkauer · 15 July 2010, 21:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don_Adan

Maybe this link can be useful for you:
http://www.emulation.com/catalog/off...rade_motorola/

For the lovely price of this little board you can afford a second hand CyberStorm PPC!

US517.20!!!!!!!

aperez · 15 July 2010, 23:20

Actually, Cyberstorm PPCs sell for significantly more than that, from what I've seen. We could always pool money to buy one and reverse-engineer it. They can't be that complicated. I'd chip in $50-$60 bucks. Would ten others care to step up to the plate?

I'm willing to handle the logistics, take delivery of the product, validate that it does and does not work, and send it anywhere in the world to anyone else who wants to test it out for the cost of insured, trackable postage.

alexh · 16 July 2010, 00:09

You'd have to see if you could get one sample for testing or something. Too much money to pay on the off chance.

wawa · 16 July 2010, 01:02

i dont get that buzz exactly, there is already an 060 card privately developed on a1k.org. just visit georg brauns site, one for gba1000 with 64mb ram, it isnt open soutce just now exactly but one doesnt need reverse engineer cyberstorm anymore. it sure could be adapted to other amigas but performance it reaches isnt exactly mindblowing. perhaps better to wait for natami..

JuvUK · 16 July 2010, 09:37

well according to the nice peeps i'm talking to, they are currently testing this board in an A4K!!!

Don_Adan · 16 July 2010, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkauer

For the lovely price of this little board you can afford a second hand CyberStorm PPC!

US517.20!!!!!!!

This is old project and perhaps 68060 CPU cost like here or even more:
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/...omSearch=false
You can ask for board price without 68060 CPU.

alexh · 16 July 2010, 16:14

The price does not include the 060

wawa · 16 July 2010, 17:43

btw just incoming. the project is gonna be upgedated with faster sd ram, allowing for possibly better timings and perhaps a synchronicity with the amiga side, sorry forum is in german.

http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread....623#post356623

aperez · 16 July 2010, 22:38

Here is a rough BOM for the RCS X-Calibur:

2x milled 68040 CPU socket (one for each side of PCB.
4x 72-pin SIMM sockets
1x unknown 132-pin QFP CPLD. Could be Lattice ISPMach 4000 family. A few possibilities:
* LC4064ZC-75M132 - Can be had for $4.50/ea from https://www.verical.com/partID/64904#
4x MC74F245M - OCTAL BIDIRECTIONAL TRANSCEIVER WITH 3-STATE I/Os
8x MC74F543 - OCTAL REGISTERED TRANSCEIVER, NON-INVERTING, 3-STATE
1x Lattice GAL20V8B
1x Lattice GAL22V10B
1x Lattice? Third unknown GAL.
1x MC74F04N - TTL HEX INVERTER FAST SCHOTTKY
1x SN74F08 - QUADRUPLE 2-INPUT POSITIVE-AND GATE

Zetr0 · 17 July 2010, 04:59

@aperez

90% of that BOM will be driving the RAM, the remaing 10% would be devided up with auto config and maybe clock doubler / divider in CPLD?!

@JuvUK

OMG!?!?!?? they are testing it with an A4000 and an A3640?! - cool!!! - I would like to see this running on an XCalibur - a 66MHz 060 with 128MB of RAM is a toasty tasty card indeed!

aperez · 18 July 2010, 21:59

Indeed, and in terms of BOM-cost-saving techniques, I have 366 QTY of New Old Stock Xilinx XC9572-7TQ100 CPLDs which is a 100-pin 5V in-system-programmable PLD.

Would probably be perfect for such a project....

aperez · 20 July 2010, 09:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

@aperez

Any joy - or total misery?

I'm now the, er, "proud" owner of one each 200-pin 8817-200-170SD-F , which I successfully mated to the connector on my A4000 motherboard this morning. This is a RoHS-compliant part, so I guess I'm now the first to confirm that these connectors do in fact exist in the modern era. Special thanks to KEL for mailing me a sample.

alexh · 20 July 2010, 10:16

What is the MOQ on those parts? 1000 units?

I was able to get samples from http://www.Adam-Tech.com for the CD32 connector but MOQ was 1000 units which instantly killed any hope of buying any.

Paul_s · 20 July 2010, 12:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Pretty sure it is not practical to use the A3640 with an 060. As Zetro says, the logic on the A3640 gets in the way of the logic you'd need for 060. Not to mention there is no voltage regulator on the A3640 or clock divider or RAM controller. Before you know it you will have made a new card.

The only practical upgrades for A3640 cards would have to be 040 based. Should be able to gleam information directly from the implementations of the Quaddoubler and Xcalibur.

I know that doesn't help you with your EC060's but it is the hard plain facts.

wot he said. It does make me wonder if when the Quaddoubler/Xcalibur came out if they thought about a 060 upgrade and probably came to the same conclusion with it not being worthwhile the hassle...

still, I admire what you are trying to achieve...

alexh · 20 July 2010, 13:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul_s

It does make me wonder if when the Quaddoubler/Xcalibur came out if they thought about a 060 upgrade

Maybe, but AFAIK the Quad-doubler was never made for the Amiga market. It is an Apple Mac product which just happened to work in the Amiga. If you remember there was no 060 Mac.

Xcalibur (1994) seems to pre-date 060 cards by about 1-2 years. Possibly even pre-dating the 060 itself.

Don_Adan · 20 July 2010, 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Maybe, but AFAIK the Quad-doubler was never made for the Amiga market. It is an Apple Mac product which just happened to work in the Amiga. If you remember there was no 060 Mac.

Xcalibur (1994) seems to pre-date 060 cards by about 1-2 years. Possibly even pre-dating the 060 itself.

Maybe someone can make Quaddoubler 060 (from 50MHz to 100MHz) for Amiga market. Here is the link to "homemade" version of Quaddoubler:
http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=56

aperez · 21 July 2010, 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

What is the MOQ on those parts? 1000 units?

I was able to get samples from http://www.Adam-Tech.com for the CD32 connector but MOQ was 1000 units which instantly killed any hope of buying any.

Alexh, Zetr0, et al...
Here's what I've been told by a small North American distributor of KEL Connectors. MOQ is 21 pcs, so I'm looking at ~$166+shipping from Japan. I'll be ordering the first batch for testing next month on August 2. If anyone would like to chip in to the pot for a connector or two (or more) please PM me.

Quote:

Hello Alex,

Yes, the minimum qty is 21. Here is the quote for your review:

P/N 8817-200-170S-F
Qty 21
Price $7.89
Lead Time 6 weeks
Pkg Sz 3
Min Order Qty 21

Order will ship direct from factory out of Japan to you. These will
be FOB Japan, will need your UPS account number to ship World Wide
Expedited.

Zetr0 · 21 July 2010, 16:32

@aperez

certainly put me down for a couple,

I recently spoke to Oli_HD and he would be interested in a couple too.

let me jiggle some projects / ala pocket money and I shall hit you up for your PayPal deets.

16 July 2010, 22:38	#31
aperez Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 94	Here is a rough BOM for the RCS X-Calibur: 2x milled 68040 CPU socket (one for each side of PCB. 4x 72-pin SIMM sockets 1x unknown 132-pin QFP CPLD. Could be Lattice ISPMach 4000 family. A few possibilities: * LC4064ZC-75M132 - Can be had for $4.50/ea from https://www.verical.com/partID/64904# 4x MC74F245M - OCTAL BIDIRECTIONAL TRANSCEIVER WITH 3-STATE I/Os 8x MC74F543 - OCTAL REGISTERED TRANSCEIVER, NON-INVERTING, 3-STATE 1x Lattice GAL20V8B 1x Lattice GAL22V10B 1x Lattice? Third unknown GAL. 1x MC74F04N - TTL HEX INVERTER FAST SCHOTTKY 1x SN74F08 - QUADRUPLE 2-INPUT POSITIVE-AND GATE Last edited by aperez; 16 July 2010 at 23:03.

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15 July 2010, 04:54	#21
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@aperez Any joy - or total misery?

15 July 2010, 06:52	#22
aperez Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 94	Very promising, actually. We'll see if the promised goods show up in the mail.

15 July 2010, 23:20	#24
aperez Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 94	Actually, Cyberstorm PPCs sell for significantly more than that, from what I've seen. We could always pool money to buy one and reverse-engineer it. They can't be that complicated. I'd chip in $50-$60 bucks. Would ten others care to step up to the plate? I'm willing to handle the logistics, take delivery of the product, validate that it does and does not work, and send it anywhere in the world to anyone else who wants to test it out for the cost of insured, trackable postage.

16 July 2010, 00:09	#25
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,339	You'd have to see if you could get one sample for testing or something. Too much money to pay on the off chance.

16 July 2010, 01:02	#26
wawa Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: berlin/germany Posts: 1,054	i dont get that buzz exactly, there is already an 060 card privately developed on a1k.org. just visit georg brauns site, one for gba1000 with 64mb ram, it isnt open soutce just now exactly but one doesnt need reverse engineer cyberstorm anymore. it sure could be adapted to other amigas but performance it reaches isnt exactly mindblowing. perhaps better to wait for natami..

16 July 2010, 09:37	#27
JuvUK Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cheltenham/UK Age: 52 Posts: 312	well according to the nice peeps i'm talking to, they are currently testing this board in an A4K!!!

16 July 2010, 16:14	#29
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,339	The price does not include the 060

16 July 2010, 17:43	#30
wawa Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: berlin/germany Posts: 1,054	btw just incoming. the project is gonna be upgedated with faster sd ram, allowing for possibly better timings and perhaps a synchronicity with the amiga side, sorry forum is in german. http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread....623#post356623

17 July 2010, 04:59	#32
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@aperez 90% of that BOM will be driving the RAM, the remaing 10% would be devided up with auto config and maybe clock doubler / divider in CPLD?! @JuvUK OMG!?!?!?? they are testing it with an A4000 and an A3640?! - cool!!! - I would like to see this running on an XCalibur - a 66MHz 060 with 128MB of RAM is a toasty tasty card indeed!

18 July 2010, 21:59	#33
aperez Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 94	Indeed, and in terms of BOM-cost-saving techniques, I have 366 QTY of New Old Stock Xilinx XC9572-7TQ100 CPLDs which is a 100-pin 5V in-system-programmable PLD. Would probably be perfect for such a project....

20 July 2010, 10:16	#35
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,339	What is the MOQ on those parts? 1000 units? I was able to get samples from http://www.Adam-Tech.com for the CD32 connector but MOQ was 1000 units which instantly killed any hope of buying any.

21 July 2010, 16:32	#40
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@aperez certainly put me down for a couple, I recently spoke to Oli_HD and he would be interested in a couple too. let me jiggle some projects / ala pocket money and I shall hit you up for your PayPal deets.

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