Amiga 500 Vampire

Signman · 13 October 2016, 15:36

After all the reading and waiting I still have a question on this.

I can't seem to find all specs on this only features. I have heard the SD card is for storage only on the 600 version, how will that work for the 500?

No, IDE in the 500 so what are we booting from? Does this version add that?

Superman · 13 October 2016, 15:51

If you read the PDF here it does state IDE for the A500 version.

http://apollo-accelerators.com/files..._datasheet.pdf

Signman · 13 October 2016, 17:15

Thanks, seems to be the only change from the 600 version.

cmsj · 14 October 2016, 00:12

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Originally Posted by Signman

Thanks, seems to be the only change from the 600 version.

The PDF is probably a little out of date - the v500 that's going to go into production has an extra 8pin SPI header for future expansion.

What that means is that if someone bothers to write a driver, you'll be able to add a $5 ESP8266 wifi card to the v500 and have cheap, better-than-plipbox internet access. But, like I said, it'll need someone to write a driver.

15 October 2016, 22:09

pfffbttt... $510 for the A500 Vampire? I'm out.

Spacemonkey · 15 October 2016, 22:37

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Originally Posted by towmater

pfffbttt... $510 for the A500 Vampire? I'm out.

$510 ???? Last i heard it was the 250 euro + shipping

http://www.kipper2k.com/updates.html

Superman · 15 October 2016, 23:13

I think he is referring to this link which is where the order button leads to.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/majsta/m.htm...p2047675.l2562

Marlon_ · 15 October 2016, 23:46

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Originally Posted by Superman

I think he is referring to this link which is where the order button leads to.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/majsta/m.htm...p2047675.l2562

that's just for people that can't wait for the real production to start.

Exit · 15 October 2016, 23:59

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Originally Posted by Marlon_

that's just for people that can't wait for the real production to start.

They put it up on ebay to get more funding, they know some people just cant wait and want one, so the money goes back into vampire project.

Marlon_ · 16 October 2016, 00:00

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Originally Posted by Exit

They put it up on ebay to get more funding, they know some people just cant wait and want one, so the money goes back into vampire project.

Yeah, I know.

pandy71 · 16 October 2016, 00:45

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Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

$510 ???? Last i heard it was the 250 euro + shipping

http://www.kipper2k.com/updates.html

lol - this how Majsta dream ends... from 75 to 250... milking cows begins...

Ratteler · 16 October 2016, 01:52

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Originally Posted by cmsj

The PDF is probably a little out of date - the v500 that's going to go into production has an extra 8pin SPI header for future expansion.

Any chance we could get a Poseidon compatible USB that could host a hub and wifi card on that. I think USB might be more useful than just Wifi on it's own.

Samurai_Crow · 16 October 2016, 02:56

Write the driver for AROS and Poseidon becomes available.

Hauke · 31 October 2016, 17:42

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Originally Posted by pandy71

lol - this how Majsta dream ends... from 75 to 250... milking cows begins...

That is not fair. I think they are doing their best.
And if it means faster production, I am all for it.

Tigerskunk · 31 October 2016, 17:57

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Originally Posted by pandy71

lol - this how Majsta dream ends... from 75 to 250... milking cows begins...

They will all be millionaires in the end, I am sure...

For serious, I think this just covers the cost for professional manufacturing and a little bit plus.

pandy71 · 31 October 2016, 18:22

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Originally Posted by Hauke

That is not fair. I think they are doing their best.
And if it means faster production, I am all for it.

Life is not fair yet most of us will kill someone else to survive...

Yes, it means faster production but i seriously doubt on assembly cost (increasing price twice) - and to be honest even few weeks ago Majsta placed movie on yt on this topic (black mailing, extorting) so i'm quite surprised - as i said at the beginning - for Vampire price should fit (IMHO) bellow 150E, more than this significantly reduce affordability - for me Amiga is hobby and for 250E i would rather go for fast Intel CPU and will perform computations on PC.

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Originally Posted by Steril707

They will all be millionaires in the end, I am sure...

For serious, I think this just covers the cost for professional manufacturing and a little bit plus.

No need to be sarcastic - i doubt that they will be millionaires - Jens (assumption, no offense) is not a millionaire after so many years... but i wish all of you guys everything best - truly.
Professional assembly is cheaper (but true - it depends on scale) and it not increase price twice (more complex products [equipped with 2.5 inch HDD, multi GB, multi CPU/SoC] ,made in relatively small series (bellow 20000 pcs) and they cost similar to Vampire).

Samurai_Crow · 31 October 2016, 18:40

Until the gold core came out it was essentially an open beta.

Hauke · 31 October 2016, 18:42

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Originally Posted by pandy71

Life is not fair yet most of us will kill someone else to survive...

Woooooowww.... hold your horses...

I think Majsta has been killing himself to make your dreams come true... So, even if he profits... which I doubt, very much... that is ok... Why should he work for free?

Isn't it great, that somebody is even doing this?

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Originally Posted by pandy71

Yes, it means faster production but i seriously doubt on assembly cost (increasing price twice) - and to be honest even few weeks ago Majsta placed movie on yt on this topic (black mailing, extorting) so i'm quite surprised - as i said at the beginning - for Vampire price should fit (IMHO) bellow 150E, more than this significantly reduce affordability - for me Amiga is hobby and for 250E i would rather go for fast Intel CPU and will perform computations on PC.

You are so right! It is a hobby and the people developing the Vampire are amateurs when it comes to producing hardware.

I think it is still great value for money. Compare it to other offerings, and you have to agree...

Ratteler · 31 October 2016, 18:49

He's selling hand made prototypes on E-bay. I don't think anyone believes this is the final cost. You want the custom hand made versions that badly, you pay "Boutique" prices.

pandy71 · 31 October 2016, 19:24

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Originally Posted by Hauke

Woooooowww.... hold your horses...

Sad but true...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hauke

I think Majsta has been killing himself to make your dreams come true... So, even if he profits... which I doubt, very much... that is ok... Why should he work for free?

Don't get me wrong - if you search this forum on this topic i was one of people saying that original price (AFAIR 75E) is perfect but counting all this (hobby, small scale and profit They deserve etc) it can be 150E (so effciently i expected increase of price and considered this as fair step).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hauke

Isn't it great, that somebody is even doing this?

Yes it is great - you will not find anything from me that may lead to conclusion that it is not great (and using FPGA as modern 68k replacement was supported by me earlier than Vampire was born so i was happy when Majsta proved that for us this is best approach - alternatively i also considered hybrid solution - small FPGA for timing, glue + general CPU like ARM for more complex CPU functionality emulation - dynamic code translation etc).

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Originally Posted by Hauke

You are so right! It is a hobby and the people developing the Vampire are amateurs when it comes to producing hardware.

Nice but as a hobbyist i can assembly such board by myself...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hauke

I think it is still great value for money. Compare it to other offerings, and you have to agree...

If you comparing this to used (and new but classic) accelerators for Amiga then yes, definitely it is very cheap and best value for money.

If you compare this to modern PC market then... you know answer...

13 October 2016, 15:36	#1
Signman Registered User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Michigan Posts: 384	Amiga 500 Vampire After all the reading and waiting I still have a question on this. I can't seem to find all specs on this only features. I have heard the SD card is for storage only on the 600 version, how will that work for the 500? No, IDE in the 500 so what are we booting from? Does this version add that?

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13 October 2016, 15:51	#2
Superman Super Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wakefield Age: 48 Posts: 1,333	If you read the PDF here it does state IDE for the A500 version. http://apollo-accelerators.com/files..._datasheet.pdf

13 October 2016, 17:15	#3
Signman Registered User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Michigan Posts: 384	Thanks, seems to be the only change from the 600 version.

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towmater Posts: n/a	pfffbttt... $510 for the A500 Vampire? I'm out.

15 October 2016, 23:13	#7
Superman Super Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wakefield Age: 48 Posts: 1,333	I think he is referring to this link which is where the order button leads to. http://www.ebay.com/sch/majsta/m.htm...p2047675.l2562

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31 October 2016, 18:49	#19
Ratteler Registered User Join Date: May 2016 Location: Bronx Posts: 167	He's selling hand made prototypes on E-bay. I don't think anyone believes this is the final cost. You want the custom hand made versions that badly, you pay "Boutique" prices.

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