indication of great demos?

[Falcon Flight]

Originally Posted by DemonHellraiser

I like many demos, but I wouldn't be so bold to state which ones *are* the best.

I didn't ask which demos are "the best". God, I'm not that frigging vulgar!

IIRC, I used the word "great", which is a word that implies "objective", "appreciated by sceners" (who were no doubt the qualified critics!)at the time. Or if it doesn't, that's what I meant by it.

[StingRay]

Originally Posted by DemonHellraiser

1st place at the parties *were* deemed to be the best demos given the time and date of their release

Not true. Odyssey won the compo at TP1 and it is hardly considered the best demo of that time.

[TCD]

Originally Posted by deicidal

Another good use of sound was global trash also by silents (think it was the same guy who did the code of 3d demo), love the way pretty much after you stick the disk in the drums start to play.

Indeed Not sure that's the same guy though, even if both use Hannibal.

@Falcon Flight
Now that the 'real' thread has started, you get recommendations. Simply asking about which demos people here would recommend could have saved us some time and unnecessary posts. Just saying with hindsight

[pmc]

Originally Posted by Falcon Flight

pmc: movies and music can be and are discussed, too. There are critics in the world for a reason other than to come across as arseholes (as you may think!)

Please, don't tell me what I may think, you don't know me.

Other people's informed opinions of course count, I was merely suggesting that you don't slavishly follow the opinion of others at the expense of forming your own, that's all.

Be guided, not led. Have fun and enjoy your own journey of discovery.

[Falcon Flight]

Originally Posted by pmc

Please, don't tell me what I may think, you don't know me.

Other people's informed opinions of course count, I was merely suggesting that you don't slavishly follow the opinion of others at the expense of forming your own, that's all.

Be guided, not led. Have fun and enjoy your own journey of discovery.

If I say to you "as you may think", that does _not_ imply that I think I know you, but if I said "as you think", then that _would_. Please learn to read English and understand what is written in it before you repond to me in the future because this is getting tiresome!

About "slavishly following the opinions of others", have I not said I respect them, and can accept them, _without_ subscribing to them? It all comes down to comprehension skills, "fella". Or maybe you're willfuly misinterpreting me, in which case the word "troll" once again comes to mind.

[Falcon Flight]

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Now that the 'real' thread has started, you get recommendations. Simply asking about which demos people here would recommend could have saved us some time and unnecessary posts. Just saying with hindsight

Heeehehe! hehe!

Then you would have said what you did say anyway and this thread would have been mostly the same regardless!

Besides, believe it or not, I'm a little shy when it comes to the demo scene. Maybe that's part of why this has been so awkward?

[pmc]

Yawn.

You just want to argue - have you really read what I posted? I suggested some demos for you to look at and I would genuinely like you to enjoy looking at them and not just those but other demos too.

If that to you is trolling well, fair enough, at least you actually formed an opinion about something on your own so that's a positive for you.

[DH]

Originally Posted by Falcon Flight

I didn't ask which demos are "the best". God, I'm not that frigging vulgar!

IIRC, I used the word "great", which is a word that implies "objective", "appreciated by sceners" (who were no doubt the qualified critics!)at the time. Or if it doesn't, that's what I meant by it.

OK, I'll go with the word "Great" and not "best". still doesn't change my mind though, you're only adding to the complexity of the list you already have.

Originally Posted by StingRay

Not true. Odyssey won the compo at TP1 and it is hardly considered the best demo of that time.

I was merely using it as an example tbh, nothing more sting

[Falcon Flight]

Originally Posted by pmc

Yawn.

You just want to argue - have you really read what I posted? I suggested some demos for you to look at and I would genuinely like you to enjoy looking at them and not just those but other demos too.

If that to you is trolling well, fair enough, at least you actually formed an opinion about something on your own so that's a positive for you.

Yeah, I read pretty well man.
Anyway, thanks for your recommendations; I'll certainly check them out.
(And pity you for your last, trollish remark.)

[deicidal]

DOS/Andromeda is also an old favourite, think it was released at the same party as state of the art and personally think its better than state of the art.

[deicidal]

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Indeed Not sure that's the same guy though, even if both use Hannibal.

Actually i think they both used the name Sunjohn at the time but i'm more than prepared to admit i could be wrong as it was a hell of a long time ago and old age is setting in far to quickly

[TCD]

Originally Posted by deicidal

Actually i think they both used the name Sunjohn at the time but i'm more than prepared to admit i could be wrong as it was a hell of a long time ago and old age is setting in far to quickly

Same here the other way around Hopefully someone else can remember if he is/isn't the same guy.

[StingRay]

Originally Posted by deicidal

Actually i think they both used the name Sunjohn at the time but i'm more than prepared to admit i could be wrong as it was a hell of a long time ago and old age is setting in far to quickly

Sunjohn later renamed to Hannibal. So yes, same coder.

[Falcon Flight]

anyone know of demos for A500 that feature texture mapped 3D models?

[TCD]

Originally Posted by Falcon Flight

anyone know of demos for A500 that feature texture mapped 3D models?

9 Fingers

[deicidal]

Originally Posted by StingRay

Sunjohn later renamed to Hannibal. So yes, same coder.

Glad to see my memory is working better with old school demos than it was at the weekend and forgetting to alter the time on my alarm clock then

[StingRay]

Originally Posted by Falcon Flight

anyone know of demos for A500 that feature texture mapped 3D models?

First that springs to mind is Spreadpoint's Cube-O-Matic

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

9 Fingers

Ahem...

[Falcon Flight]

TCD: is that "textured" 3D bust vectors as in lines or polygons. I can't tell.

All right. Having problems downloading that one right now, StingRay.

I used to work a lot using Maya in visual effects and we used to shift a shit load of polygons around, slowing computers down.

Do you know of an example of a high polygon-count animated model, even if that's just a rotating sphere or something? I'm very interested to see how far my A500 can be pushed with the ~8MHz CPU (I assume here that the custom chips don't help much with 3D, since many Atari ST owners tend to proclaim supremacy in 3D).

[TCD]

Originally Posted by StingRay

Ahem...

[ Show youtube player ] @1:12
Well, at least it looks like that

[StingRay]

Originally Posted by Falcon Flight

All right. Having problems downloading that one right now, StingRay.

Try again, I fixed the link.

Originally Posted by Falcon Flight

Do you know of an example of a high polygon-count animated model, even if that's just a rotating sphere or something? I'm very interested to see how far my A500 can be pushed with the ~8MHz CPU (I assume here that the custom chips don't help much with 3D, since many Atari ST owners tend to proclaim supremacy in 3D).

When it comes to texture mapping, the custom chips don't help much, except for the c2p (chunky to planar) where the blitter is used to speed up the conversion process. The ST has an advantage due to its bitplane format which makes c2p conversion much faster and simpler.

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

[ Show youtube player ] @1:12
Well, at least it looks like that

9 Fingers is an overhyped anim player, just like SOTA was. No texture mapping there.