Amiga Clone Natami - Planned For Summer 2008

[turrican3]

Originally Posted by alexh

Looks shite to me

28MHz 030 with 8Mbytes RAM. No hope of a CPU/RAM upgrade as there was no CPU slot, no trapdoor slot.

The only thing it had going for it was the form factor.

Keep cool alexh (but i'm with you in this battle)

[Hungry Horace]

Originally Posted by alexh

Looks shite to me

28MHz 030 with 8Mbytes RAM. No hope of a CPU/RAM upgrade as there was no CPU slot, no trapdoor slot.

The only thing it had going for it was the form factor.

not everything needs to be upgraded! 030 and 8 meg fast is a fine enough machine....

[FOL]

Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

not everything needs to be upgraded! 030 and 8 meg fast is a fine enough machine....

I agree, my A1200 with 020 and 10MB ram is ample.

[prowler]

Originally Posted by FOL

I agree, my A1200 with 020 and 10MB ram is ample.

So do I. I have an A1200 with 10MB ram and no complaints!

[Photon]

Originally Posted by alexh

AFAIK the true Natami developer, Thomas Hirsch, has never set a date. Just these hang-on wannabe leaches like Gunnar von Boehn.

Oh. I ofc assumed he was somehow connected with the site.

This is why a simple free hosting blog paid for with cheesy ads can be more impressive, simply by the dev posting progress now and then!

Is the project on some mailing list I could follow?

[Dexther]

NATAMI ....
I Want to believe

[cosmicfrog]

plz plz alex forget the cd32 addon thingy and make some of these Access boards

I`m sure with your talents and that of other ppl round here we could make it better

oh well a frogs got dream some time

[StingRay]

Originally Posted by Dexther

NATAMI ....
I Want to believe

We all believe in BigGun, don't we? Muahaha. Sorry, I just couldn't resist =)

[skan]

Originally Posted by StingRay

We all believe in BigGun, don't we? Muahaha. Sorry, I just couldn't resist =)

You are just jealous because he's building the ultimate 3D GPU for Amiga and you cannot even disassemble the KS in one week!

[Samurai_Crow]

@skan

Knock it off about the Kickstart. Somebody gave him a specialized tool to disassemble the Kickstart and it took him less than an hour to use it. (Although that would count as Frederic Requin doing the disassembling in my opinion.)

[mfletcher]

I'll believe NATAMI when I see it. Summer 2009?

[alexh]

Originally Posted by cosmicfrog

plz plz alex forget the cd32 addon thingy and make some of these Access boards

There are no sources of AGA chips

[StingRay]

Originally Posted by Samurai_Crow

@skan

Knock it off about the Kickstart. Somebody gave him a specialized tool to disassemble the Kickstart and it took him less than an hour to use it. (Although that would count as Frederic Requin doing the disassembling in my opinion.)

And he still is (and always was) a pretender! He claimed HE (and not a tool that somebody gave him about half a year later!) can do it in less than a week, I still wonder why he remained silent when I accepted his bet of 1000 EUR that he so boastfully offered... Man of big words but no deeds he is.

But we all believe in the power of BigGun

[hit]

its a bit strange, what happens at the natami board. the only one, moderating the website is gone (sort of busy with job?!). last info was, they were waiting for the first PCBs to arrive. how long does it take to get the boards finaly?
and what really bugs me - no media at all. some 5 years (!?) old blurry pictures: just to compare, have a look here:
http://www.experiment-s.de/en/pictur...sh/suska-board
http://www.experiment-s.de/en/pictur...i-custom-chips
download section has vhdl sources and doumentation (dont miss the 68000 which got 020/MMU capabilities - IIRC).
http://download.experiment-s.de/Susk...2K8A/rtl/vhdl/
is there nothing the natami team can show? its really a bit strange ...

[Samurai_Crow]

@hit

When the Natami team got the quote for the original design of the Natami, it was too expensive so now the SuperAGA chipset design is undergoing a major revision to make the board cheap enough that people will use it. Eg. 16 Megs of SRAM replaced with 256 Megs of DDR for Chip RAM.

[hit]

yes, i know what you are talking about. but look here:
"2008-10-01 : Thomas finally finished the new Hardware-design for Natami-060 - the 1st board can now hit his lab in a couple of weeks!"
two month gone and they still have nothing to report? seen the footage of the Atari-FPGA-Project, screenshots of the Customchips Prototypes and so on? seen the vids Richard Aplin made after a couple of days, and all the Tiny projects around.
what do we have from the Natami Team, are some very old pictures of a prototype and some stills of a, maybe impressive, flightsim. thats all.
i mean, they were opening the website and board. but i've seen nothing so far. even gunnar stated, some dozend people have seen a working prototype earlier this year. i've seen nothing. that really bugs me; i guess not only me.
it seems to be a nice project and i hope they will made it. but this kind of publicity, is bogus to me :/

[FOL]

Originally Posted by hit

yes, i know what you are talking about. but look here:
"2008-10-01 : Thomas finally finished the new Hardware-design for Natami-060 - the 1st board can now hit his lab in a couple of weeks!"
two month gone and they still have nothing to report? seen the footage of the Atari-FPGA-Project, screenshots of the Customchips Prototypes and so on? seen the vids Richard Aplin made after a couple of days, and all the Tiny projects around.
what do we have from the Natami Team, are some very old pictures of a prototype and some stills of a, maybe impressive, flightsim. thats all.
i mean, they were opening the website and board. but i've seen nothing so far. even gunnar stated, some dozend people have seen a working prototype earlier this year. i've seen nothing. that really bugs me; i guess not only me.
it seems to be a nice project and i hope they will made it. but this kind of publicity, is bogus to me :/

Apparently, that sites not an official site.

[hit]

Originally Posted by FOL

Apparently, that sites not an official site.

thats a weird comment. how else should an official project site ( at that dev stage ) should looks like ?
even T. Hirsch is posting on the board (3 postings or the like).
"This is not a commercial project yet." - so the contact page says. but i mean, its a project, the team went into public <point>. also he is mentioned on that page.
if this all has nothing to do with the natami project, what are we talking about? why do people flaming on gunnar (if its right or wrong isnt important here).
so gunnar is doing a website just for the sake of it, and thats it? accidentally a project, called natami, was mentioned at the beginning and this is all what they (website - project) have in common? i doubt that.

[Calgor]

AFAIK, the main "official" people commenting on that website forum are Thomas Hirsch (hardware designer), P Kittel (not sure of role, co-ordinator?), and Gunnar (3d "GPU" design). Surely it is the most "official" website that exists in the absence of any other information source for the natami and given who is posting there. It is supposed to be a development project at the moment.

They also have a Jens (not individual computers) working (from memory) on the kickstart patches or something or other.

But yes, they have not been very timely at giving "official" progress which will obviously lead to many people asking questions. This is inevitable given the amiga climate of the last few years, dates being set and an answer given after the date has passed as to why it is not met.

[FOL]

Originally Posted by hit

thats a weird comment. how else should an official project site ( at that dev stage ) should looks like ?
even T. Hirsch is posting on the board (3 postings or the like).
"This is not a commercial project yet." - so the contact page says. but i mean, its a project, the team went into public <point>. also he is mentioned on that page.
if this all has nothing to do with the natami project, what are we talking about? why do people flaming on gunnar (if its right or wrong isnt important here).
so gunnar is doing a website just for the sake of it, and thats it? accidentally a project, called natami, was mentioned at the beginning and this is all what they (website - project) have in common? i doubt that.

Read down, im only going by what was stated here, others have said it isnt. Cant see how my comment was strange.