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(i previously posted in some other non OS related thread, don't remember where) My 2 cents on how to move AmigaOS forward: Regardless of who has/gets the rights to AmigaOS this is the approach i'd like to see: 1. AmigaOS 3.1.4 is a move in the right direction. Create and release version 3.2 that continues the approach of bug fixes and adding minor but important features. For example 3.1.4 allows >4BG drives but requires too much RAM and time to validate large drives during bootup. 2. Low end Amiga's are too slow and limited to properly handle some features. I'd like an enhanced AmigaOS version for enhanced Amiga's. For example, a 68000 CPU isn't fast enough to anti-alias text to make it more readable. An 030 CPU with fast RAM would enable that and much more. Lets put our accelerators to use. 3. Money from every Vampire sale should be put aside to help fund a Vampire optimized AmigaOS. Optimizing the AmigaOS and adding features for the Vampire to really shine is a huge project. This work would have to be spread over several versions. Releases need to be far enough apart to include noticeable improvements but not so far apart that users feel abandoned as they wait for the next release. Finally, as a programmer, i want to stress the importance of including features in the OS as opposed to having them available through a hack on Aminet. AmigaOS really needs a modern and complete system for developers to easily make a GUI. Not gadtools or MUI or some other addon. But something integrated into the OS that i know will be available on every system of at least a certain version. Right now applications require you to install some third party package for the software to make a GUI. Or, like in the case of PageStream, they developed their own GUI system. Having hacks to support TrueType fonts, or UTF-8 encoding or other features on Aminet doesn't properly support developers. Features need to be properly integrated into the OS and available to every program. Thank you for your time... now i'm sure the roasters will find a way to roast me while most people give it some thought without saying anything. |
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If Gunnar wants to take advantage of the Vampire, it is up to him to follow the existing Os design that allows already transparent extension. It does not require drilling up the Os for this. So, for example, if a DMA-enabled scsi.device is something that should be supplied, then this can be done already today. Just that Gunnar does not want to supply AutoConfig (his choice) and believes that the F-Space is better put aside for Atari support than to support AmigaOs. If you ask me, both choices are strange, if not foolish, but it's his work, not mine. Quote:
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UTF-8 support is again something that will not come anytime soon. It requires a much more sophisticated font system than what we have, and extending this would break a lot of things. Codepage support is probably the best we could go for, and even that is a lot of work (but at least doable). |
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My Vampire shines pretty well already, but I wonder if it still will when bogged down with an 'optimized' OS? The machines that really need optimizing are those that don't have the processing power of a Vampire. Optimize the OS to work well on them, and the Vampire will shine even more! Quote:
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LOL, forum code isn't utf8 safe?
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AmigaOS most definitely is for me. I won't tell you what you should get though - if you want a version of AmigaOS with programs specially written for it that won't work on most Amigas then go for it. I don't think that would be good for the community, but who knows? Perhaps we could join the ranks of deluded Linux users who think they are 'compatible' (oh look, I managed to get a Linux68k kernel running on my A1200. Now I can install Firefox!). |
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I'd like to see bootable compact flash drives from the pcmcia slot.
Is there somewhere to vote / donate to help the outcome you want ? |
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What a childish comment. Unicode is used in many systems for a good reason - whole world is not just plain english. And btw if you talk about Windows, you should say UTF-16. |
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I would like to see a command line switch that prevents the new setpatch from scanning the IDE bus mid boot on every boot.
This has doubled the boot time of any machine I’ve installed 3.1.4 to, and I understand this is to address an LED issue that doesn’t even apply to most machines anyway. setpatch /noscan Thanks! |
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For 3.1.4, the perspective was a somewhat different one. Instead, the Amiga system was taken as a retro machine, and the approach was that nobody should be left behind, allowing the system to be used even on weaker machines without too much hassle. So the product addressed a somewhat different market. I personally believe we should continue in this tradition. If we "lock out" lower powered machines, then the success and acceptance of the product might be limited. |
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The current font system of graphics does not allow for that. Graphics Text() has no idea about the colors of the screen it renders on, leave alone its subpixel arrangement. This would require a completely new, and completely different, and certainly less primitive rendering system. Given the amount of changes this requires, and the amount of compatibility risks, I consider this quite unlikely to be possible in the near future.
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Given the current development pace, this would delay any release by a couple of months. Not because nobody wants to work, but simply because we don't have so many developers, and each of us has a day job as well. So while this is not out of scope in any particular way, and neither unrealistic, I afraid that there are currently a couple of more important issues that need to be tackled. |
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well Hyperion bought reaction, so id think that be in next update
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OS 3.1.4 is good base OS with working support for big discs, but people who just play old games with WHDL will probably not buy every next OS update coz they will simply not need it. |
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The requirements have been seriously lowered for 3.1.4 comparing it with 3.9 (68000 2MB or even less, versus 68020 + 6 MB). And this means broadening the user base. It was the right call given the circumstances.
You can even run 3.1.4 on an A500 with 3.1.4 roms and only 1MB ram and a harddisk. It is difficult to find a balance between features and hardware requirements looking at the small user base we currently have. And more if you take into consideration the amount of developers actively involved. |
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The 'good reason' for UT-8 is that English-speaking people can have the most efficient encoding and don't have to be bothered by text written in foreign languages. But some others aren't too happy about it. Comparison with single-byte encodings Quote:
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there will always be haters, keep doing what you're doing
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