Same name for HDToolbox Drive Type, Partition and Volume NOT a problem?

[Foebane]

Is it perfectly normal and within AmigaOS naming conventions to name the Drive Type in HDToolbox, the Partition you create on that drive, and the Volume you give the drive you format on Workbench, the same name?

Also, is the Drive Type just a name for the profile for the type and capacity of the drive that you give to HDToolbox, like a template?

In the first screenshot, is "RetroStuff" named after the partition name, or the Drive Type? It's not clear to me, as the header seems to span two items of information.

And in the second screenshot, is it usual to see a device named after the volume like this?

[AMIGASYSTEM]

In HDToolbox you can give all the names you like also the same for all discs, you can not give the Volumes the same name (those you see on the workbench).
The name you see in HDToolbox they usually have the first letter that indicates the type of disk.

[Foebane]

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

In HDToolbox you can give all the names you like also the same for all discs, you can not give the Volumes the same name (those you see on the workbench).
The name you see in HDToolbox they usually have the first letter that indicates the type of disk.

Do you mean the "UAE" in this example?

[idrougge]

It is not perfectly normal.

[Foebane]

Originally Posted by idrougge

It is not perfectly normal.

What should I be doing then?

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Originally Posted by Foebane

Do you mean the "UAE" in this example?

The rule is also the same on AMiGA Real

[idrougge]

Originally Posted by Foebane

What should I be doing then?

That's not for me to decide. But personally, I would not give the same volume name as the drive name.

[thomas]

You *can* give all the same name, but it is confusing, not only for you but also for AmigaDOS.

For the drive type you should keep the name you got from Read Configuration. It does not matter actually, it is used nowhere.

But drive and volume name should be different. They are handled differently by DOS and you can confuse DOS if you give them the same name.

Best thing is to stay with xDHn as given by HDToolbox. 'x' is the first letter of the manufacturer name. 'n' can be a number or something you can remember better.

The volume name should be something useful, like RetroStuff in your example.

[Foebane]

Originally Posted by idrougge

That's not for me to decide. But personally, I would not give the same volume name as the drive name.

What if I was to make the drive/partition name "DH1"? Will that not cause confusion? Otherwise, I have no idea what to call the drive/partition.

EDIT: The only thing I can think of is to name the drive/partition after my initials, like "AF1".

[Sinphaltimus]

OK, I have a bit of a dilemma that's on topic.

Currently setup on real amiga OS3.9 on a 32GB HDD with 3 partitions as follows:
DH0: 666.7MBs SYSTEM Bootable
DH1: 27GBs Programs
DH2: 700MBs Recover

I want to clone this to a larger harddrive (320GBs) and partition as follows:
DH0: 2GB System Bootable
DH1: 50GB Programs
DH2: 2GB Recover

If I can't name the devices and volumes the same as the original, will that not screw up everything when I swap the hard drives to boot off the 320GB?

Let's say I name the larger partitions VH1, VH2 and VH3 instead. Won't I get a lot of "Please insert device DH0:" errors?

Can I rename devices without reformatting?

[thomas]

Originally Posted by Sinphaltimus

If I can't name the devices and volumes the same as the original, will that not screw up everything when I swap the hard drives to boot off the 320GB?

Nobody said that you can't name them the same. It's just confusing.

Also you can still change them later.

Won't I get a lot of "Please insert device DH0:" errors?

Only if you used DH0 instead of SYSTEM in your scripts and config files.

Can I rename devices without reformatting?

Yes. Just change the name in HDToolbox and reboot.

[Foebane]

Originally Posted by thomas

Yes. Just change the name in HDToolbox and reboot.

No, that doesn't work, Thomas. I was able to rename the partition to AF1, but as you can see, the drive type itself is still marked as RetroStuff, and if I were to try to change that, then I would have to reformat and lose the old data.

In fact, it is the drive type itself that bothers me: Should I rename that to AF1 as well? Also, what does the 0.4 stand for?

[AMIGASYSTEM]

When you change the name in HDToolBox you have to click on the Enter key otherwise HDTooBoxdoes not memorize!!
Before changing the volume name make sure that the name is not saved in some settings (WBPatter etc...) to avoid errors in system boot

[Foebane]

Originally Posted by thomas

You *can* give all the same name, but it is confusing, not only for you but also for AmigaDOS.

For the drive type you should keep the name you got from Read Configuration. It does not matter actually, it is used nowhere.

But drive and volume name should be different. They are handled differently by DOS and you can confuse DOS if you give them the same name.

Best thing is to stay with xDHn as given by HDToolbox. 'x' is the first letter of the manufacturer name. 'n' can be a number or something you can remember better.

The volume name should be something useful, like RetroStuff in your example.

Sorry, Thomas, didn't see this post of yours earlier, but I will do the following tomorrow:

Drive Type = "HDF1600" (based on the type of drive and capacity)
Drive = "UDH1" (as it is the second HDF I'm using)
Volume = "RetroStuff"

You're right, I should stick with the defaults as much as possible.

[Sinphaltimus]

Hey, I just wanted to report back that yes, indeed you can rename UDH1 without reformatting.

All my partitions were WDH0:, WDH1:, and WDH2: for System: Programs: and Recover:

After booting off the HDD and getting a lot of errors, I went into HDToolBox and renamed them DH0: DH1: DH2: and saved for each one. No reformat, worked great.

[Foebane]

Originally Posted by Sinphaltimus

Hey, I just wanted to report back that yes, indeed you can rename UDH1 without reformatting.

All my partitions were WDH0:, WDH1:, and WDH2: for System: Programs: and Recover:

After booting off the HDD and getting a lot of errors, I went into HDToolBox and renamed them DH0: DH1: DH2: and saved for each one. No reformat, worked great.

Good work!

As to what I said I was going to do in my previous post, I've amended it to this:

Drive Type="Amiga Foebane" (named after the single 1.6Gb HDF I've created)
Drive="UDH0" and "UDH1", to represent the System and RetroStuff folders that will be named as such in Volumes

So I take Bloodwych's ClassicWB LITE and install my WB 3.1 on it, then create "Amiga Foebane.hdf" and do the above, BUT, for the first time, I proceed to make two partitions on the HDF, the smaller one for System.

Everything goes fine, the System volume (ClassicWB) is there, but then when I go to format the two partitions, I give them both "System" and "RetroStuff" names, and then there are two "System" volumes.

I go into the Shell and set the DH0: (System) for the source folder, and then proceed to type "copy all to UDH0:" (System) and it copies the entire OS fine.

I then boot fine into the new HDF when I make the changes to the WinUAE config and restart.

[Sinphaltimus]

^^^Excellent^^^ so glad we both resolved our situations. Only Amiga makes it possible!

[Amiga1992]

Naming a partition "Retrostuff" is a terrible choice.
Partition name is a device name, not a volume label. The difference is important. They do different things.

[Foebane]

Originally Posted by Akira

Naming a partition "Retrostuff" is a terrible choice.

Are you criticising my naming choices?

No, seriously, I figured that there were issues with my original way of doing things, that's why I changed it to using the defaults as much as possible, as per Thomas' recommendation.

[kolla]

Clearly you should call your partitions C, D, E, F etc. in HDToolBox.