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And that's why I suggested integrating a cheap soc as a co pro to run the extra hw. In theory you could use the soc to offload all the tcp IP, usb, auto config management etc. Anyway, unfortunately I'm not a developer so I've no idea how hard this would be. |
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Based on XMOS you can emulate MC68000 bus in real time (so no need to use CPLD/FPGA) and as such any I/O connected to it. So cost are realistic - rest is code - and i agree programmer (especially good one) work is costly (but i assume also that people doing things for Amiga are more like hobbyist - this however can be different from Jens perspective). I think 50E (and not less even for small board) is simple price of such things - you spent more on cinema ticket for two or lunch in restaurant (i mean real restaurant not McDonald or KFC) so... so why bother? Every hobby is expensive (except collecting bier canes maybe ). Jens doing this as main business so i don't blame him - fact that he is one of the last dedicated to small/classic computer make his work even more impressive. Quote:
Not sure what Jens planning but on one side he may prefer to sell 50 boards for 350$ instead 350 board for 25$ - less work, better money... What You will do on his side? To conclude - i believe such board should not happen but if it happen this new board should offer improvements (for example CPLD/FPGA UMA bridge to overcome CHIP<>CPU limitations [and looks like this was addressed by Jens - so UMA and AGA cycles are no longer limiation] - not some strange DSP connectors etc). I have more than few of old Amiga units - some of them intended to be source for parts (how many working A500 you can have/may need ? 2? 3?). Quote:
You can even go further and try to emulate MC68000 on RPi so no real CPU need to be used (some FPGA based glue logic required to interface classic Amiga chips with RPi is necessary for more complex task but it can be part UMA bridge and MIPI port). Last edited by pandy71; 13 July 2015 at 14:26. |
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The audio discussion was a little lengthy, but definitely worth looking into. Thanks for that. Jens (next Q&A next monday!) |
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Man, Jens even takes time to respond to all our ramblings. We should be very glad that he is still here and still working on this product instead of fleeing because we're all a bunch of cunts.
Thanks Jens, for all your hard work. PS: please put Svideo on the motherboard as standard |
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I know prices, You know prices - rest is marketing and business target - some people will appreciate 25E product others prefer to pay 50E for same. I would be glad to develop something but i know also realities of making business and simply i prefer rather to do open hardware and open software instead struggle with all complaints... And don't get me wrong - i respect what are You doing from years even if not being Your customer so thumbs up and good luck with business! (honestly no sarcasm). |
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However i thought all the support circuitry for a 14MHz 68020 would already be contained in the chipset, or would be required anyway for accelerators to connect to the bus. But. i am not the expert here. |
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First off thanks to Jens for producing some amazing hardware! I am a fan.
I'll be honest though I'm not happy about the b&w composite and no external floppy port. Semi unhappy about the removal of two audio RCA jacks but at least they are there. I feel If the original case is used then all the ports should be available. But again this will be one kick arse AGA Amiga 500 replacement motherboard with CF storage and fast AGA graphics and CPU upgradability. Very excited to get one! Last edited by TjLaZer; 14 July 2015 at 01:04. |
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dunno if it has been answered already, I've read all 12 pages so far, but not thoroughly: Do you think blizzard ppc cards + bvisions will be supported? And how about mediator boards? Thx! |
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Ok I have zero intentions of lecturing Jens of manufacturing costs, however I will use some simple logic to question some of the "facts" in his latest (long) post.
Some ppl point at the cost of pure hardware while Jens sees the final number after software dev has been paid for. That sure makes sense from his perspective...Fine... however... Capable AMD GPUs were available to PPC Amiga ppl (nemo board, sam etc) long before there were any drivers that actually utilized the the GPU in a meaningful way. Still ppl went out and bought them (It took a good while but now they are selling drivers for it that actually make more use of all that power.). My only point here is that the *final* price of a certain feature Jens is giving is not *actually* known. If he released hardware features without the software (because they were cheap to implement) who knows what hobbyists would do with it after a while. And if someone wants get a few bucks for it they could sell the drivers for each such feature. That being said... I am not proposing this as an actual strategy.. just pointing out that the calculations were based on some specific assumptions and sometimes things work out a bit differently. (Unless Jens has plans to produce new / updated reloaded boards every so often (doubtful) then this is the hardware a lot of Amigans will be "stuck" with for the foreseeable future. ) |
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It does seem you would be better off getting a replacement A1200 board or having one recapped, from the feature list been proposed on this new board. It's definitely not something I will be going for. Shame really, but it just reads like a wasted opportunity.
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My thoughts exactly.
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Thanks for answering my ext drive question Jens, totally understand your reasoning.
I think people rather than complaining about what this board will initially lack should look to the future. I'm sure this is just Jens first step toward creating a more advanced FPGA based Amiga. Once he's tested his motherboard out he can replace the AGA chipset with FPGA based equivalents. In the future if we're lucky we might even be able to upgrade this board, the chipset will be socketed after all. |
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Here we go round the mulberry bush.
"Nah you don't want a 020, stick a 030 in there." "030! Are you mad? 040's what you need" "040! Do us a favour, what's wrong with you? 060 or nothing matey" "But, 020 is O.K for me, I can't afford anything else" And around the bush we go again. |
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