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Old 29 November 2015, 11:11   #1
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How much for a 68060 Phase 5 + 64Mb

I was considering selling either my amiga tower (pixel64 picasso-like board, scandoubler) or only my 68060 board.

How much would it sell nowadays?

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Old 29 November 2015, 11:35   #2
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Very much I suppose, you could do a search at EBay including completed auctions to have an idea. You could also look at Amibay but the prices there are lower.

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Old 30 November 2015, 08:23   #3
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I think a Phase5/DCE 060 is probably around £450 GBP these days?
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Old 30 November 2015, 09:13   #4
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What rev 060 is on your blizzard? Too bad it hasn't got at least 64 MB. I might be interested
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Old 30 November 2015, 12:54   #5
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Now is certainly the right time to sell an A1200 @060 before they announce anything about a Vampire FPGA for A1200
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Old 30 November 2015, 15:55   #6
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It could end up like the A2320. It went from high demand to almost no demand.
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Old 30 November 2015, 23:03   #7
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Well I remember making the double-sided 32MB chip hold with a rubber band to get 48MB.
I dunno the rev. Bought it in fall 1995. I see that the prices have not dropped that much since since this is a rather rare item.

Thanks for the advice. I'd prefer selling the whole machine (pixel64 board, scandoubler), but not sure it's worth something: first boot after power-up I have to reset or the machine will lock up. Maybe my 1200 mobo is damaged, maybe it's the Ateo bus.
Well, not sure it even boots at all, did not fire the old miggy since 2012!!
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Old 30 November 2015, 23:30   #8
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It could end up like the A2320. It went from high demand to almost no demand.
Don't think that would ever happen unless someone starts producing 060 accelerators for almost nothing. FPGA won't cut it for a big chunk of people in my view.
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Old 30 November 2015, 23:33   #9
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Don't think that would ever happen unless someone starts producing 060 accelerators for almost nothing. FPGA won't cut it for a big chunk of people in my view.
i dont know why people would turn their nose up at something if it turns out to be faster and cheaper and can do the same job. the prices have to drop, mabbe not bottom out but they will drop considerably.
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Old 30 November 2015, 23:49   #10
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i dont know why people would turn their nose up at something if it turns out to be faster and cheaper and can do the same job. the prices have to drop, mabbe not bottom out but they will drop considerably.
I think a lot of people want "original", otherwise everyone would just use emulation on PC's. I see FPGA as somewhere between that (winuae) and a real motorola cpu in a classic amiga. Some will accept it, some won't.

I'd be surprised if prices dropped.
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Old 01 December 2015, 00:42   #11
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I've never seen the AteoBus, isn't it some kind of normal ISA but without DMA?

Could you make a couple of pictures before selling it? :-)
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Interested in your 1260 if you want to sell it. Send me a pm
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Old 01 December 2015, 22:54   #13
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Hey, just for laughs, there's a A4000 FS on e-bay BTW:
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Amiga-4000-68...0AAOSwp5JWWY1c

2750 euros, ouch!!

even funnier: a 68060 Draco:
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/COMMODORE-AMI...wAAOSwiLdWAc-j

12475 euros, mega ouch!!!!!

Try to sell a 20-years old Pentium at those prices...
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Hey, just for laughs, there's a A4000 FS on e-bay BTW:
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Amiga-4000-68...0AAOSwp5JWWY1c

2750 euros, ouch!!

even funnier: a 68060 Draco:
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/COMMODORE-AMI...wAAOSwiLdWAc-j

12475 euros, mega ouch!!!!!

Try to sell a 20-years old Pentium at those prices...
Remember to only look at the prices for SOLD auctions... Current actions mean nothing, as I could be listing anything at crazy prices and nobody will ever buy it - but that doesn't mean the item is worth that much
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I think a lot of people want "original", otherwise everyone would just use emulation on PC's. I see FPGA as somewhere between that (winuae) and a real motorola cpu in a classic amiga. Some will accept it, some won't.

I'd be surprised if prices dropped.
I was going to post several times previously but decided against it as I thought the thread might then turn into an emulator vs real hardware argument, but I mostly agree with this (I do think prices will drop a bit however).

Its an individual decision as to where you draw the line between adding new technology that allows the amiga to operate in the current world, and effectively moving into emulation. For me it was the games that made the Amiga, that was what I get nostalgic about etc and I am not sure how much a FPGA will change that. I also love the fact that this old hardware can still do so much. Its a bit like people who lovingly maintain classic cars I guess.

For me the proposed FPGA is just over that line into emulation, and if I am going to cross that line then I will do it via PC anyway. But that is just me and others will all have their own views, and I dont want this to deteriorate into one of those argumentative threads when its actually OK for people to have different opinions, there is no right/wrong answer.

I love the fact that new stuff is being developed all the time however - and really appreciate your work Kipper by the way, even if I may not always choose to use some of it.
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So let me get this straight: Just because you have FPGA for ONE chip in the computer, suddenly the whole thing becomes an emulator?
I fail to see the logic in this argument.
FPGA is nowadays a valid way of designing chips. It's not only used to "replicate" an existing die. It's used to simplify and reduce teh cost of teh process of designing a chip.

I mean, what's next? Why don't we all reject micro processors? After all, they are emulating logic board arrays of millions of gates.
My computing experience isn't true unless my computer takes a whole room in my house. Fuck those fake microprocessors, trying to be the REAL THING!

Where did I leave my punch cards?
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Old 02 December 2015, 22:56   #17
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The thing that annoys me in emulators is... the host system.
Linux booting for 1 or 2 minutes before loading the emu, all the repeated configuration effort, windows not recognizing the joystick and tzking forever to start...
With a mist or fpa thingy you get a quickstart to your games, real joyports, really integrated lile a console. That is cool, m68k or fpga asic who cares?
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So let me get this straight: Just because you have FPGA for ONE chip in the computer, suddenly the whole thing becomes an emulator?
I think it is somewhere between classic and emulation. The CPU is the main chip, it was what people dreamed of back in the day, having an 030, or an 040. I think a lot of people will still prefer a classic CPU which is why I don't think prices of 060 cards will fall.
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Its down to whatever gives each person that little bit of joy from using their stuff.
For me an Amiga was a wedge shaped thing and that is what my memories are of and so despite the fact it would make expansion much easier, I have no interest in towering my a1200. I still remember the moment as a child that my best mate and I first saw his dads amiga - we had always played on his c64 before, but this amazing new machine used small disks and loaded so fast and was sooooo cool.
For me its about reliving some of those memories and enjoying some nostalgia, as well as actually enjoying the games. Original hardware (as much as possible) is part of that. Now I obviously make compromises as I use a CF hard drive, which we did not have when I was a kid, but thats what I mean about everyone drawing their own lines as to what is acceptable to them.
But all of that is just how I enjoy this hobby, and I am not trying to persuade anyone else that I have the right view or that others should subscribe to it. So I am not sure there is any need to get too excited.....
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If you could buy a drop-in replacement for the 040/060 with full FPU/MMU to make it 100MHz+ in speed, I think people might be interested. That is coming in the form of a small FPGA board - the size of the 040/060. I am more interested in doing this for the 040 than anything, as that would give new life to every A4000. They didn't sell that many 060 cards compared to A4000's and 040 accelerators.
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