(announcement) AMIGA MEETS GIGAHERTZ - Page 6

crasbe · 27 December 2013, 00:15

http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.ph...&postcount=285
This one.

But the same user promised posting updates "before christmas 2012", "soon in january 2013" and "within ONE minute on 18.04.2013 14:28". Well... there were no updates. Just an "it's not dead".

vitux · 27 December 2013, 01:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by crasbe

http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.ph...&postcount=285
This one.

But the same user promised posting updates "before christmas 2012", "soon in january 2013" and "within ONE minute on 18.04.2013 14:28". Well... there were no updates. Just an "it's not dead".

that minute longer!

thanks for clearing that forum was

brett71 · 11 June 2014, 21:27

Site hasn't been updated since January 2013...

Can we call this incredibly promising piece of hardware....dead?

Seems to me like all of these massively encouraging projects (NatAmi, CloneA, this PPC board) all seem to go suddenly silent, and I think it's because the designers ran into some sort of major showstopper and couldn't just say so because of the anticipation we all (me included) have for a hint of new life for our favorite retro computer.

Adrian Browne · 11 June 2014, 21:33

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Originally Posted by brett71

Site hasn't been updated since January 2013...

Can we call this incredibly promising piece of hardware....dead?

Seems to me like all of these massively encouraging projects (NatAmi, CloneA, this PPC board) all seem to go suddenly silent, and I think it's because the designers ran into some sort of major showstopper and couldn't just say so because of the anticipation we all (me included) have for a hint of new life for our favorite retro computer.

Yeah, too much hyperbole with too little realism...natami and tina were a bad joke...
This is the first I have heard about this piece of kit though...

Akiko · 12 June 2014, 02:37

It's a shame with failed projects organisers usually can't be bothered logging into their own website and give a brief update that the project is now dead.

jbenam · 12 June 2014, 12:00

The funny thing is that there's a fully assembled UltimatePPC in the pics - it's a bit sad to think that those are just fancy doorstoppers

Adrian Browne · 12 June 2014, 13:02

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Originally Posted by jbenam

The funny thing is that there's a fully assembled UltimatePPC in the pics - it's a bit sad to think that those are just fancy doorstoppers

Yes, kind of like the existing natami mx boards...

BigFan · 12 June 2014, 20:36

Anyone to remember the discussion about using QoriQ over G4/5? Different FPU with incompatible instruction set. And not only 68060 are hard to come by, 68040 in mint condition (not salvaged) at a reasonable price isn't in stock in numbers. Finally, total cost of production would raise average sales price upto 1000 - 1200 €. While there might be still some unshaken customers around those two guys had to pay bills before, and i don't see their investment paying off at all, not to talk about some cuts for them.
Afair they planned to put some VGA and connectivity on it. Would require some good coders to do the drivers job.

wawa · 13 June 2014, 13:28

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Originally Posted by Adrian Browne

Yes, kind of like the existing natami mx boards...

the difference being that afaik from trusty source that those natami boards in existence actually work.

sorry to say, the ultimateppc project was doomed from the start, at least in the shape we know of. the incompatible cpu, the low chance that any of appropriate solutions like mos or os4 would be adopted to it, the performance that would still be inferior to available standalone os4 and mos systems and so on..

all in all i think it is fortunate that no more effort has been put into it. amiga accelerators are better based on fpga or 68k emulation on another fast and cheap cpu, ive heard of mips being proposed by an experienced amiga hw designer.

b0lt-thrower · 15 June 2014, 17:57

I'm just throwing out some speculation here but I wonder if they went through all the prototyping and building of first-revision hardware then realized the PPC CPUs they'd purchased weren't OS4 compatible, and so abandoned the whole project.

It seems like they put a lot of time and effort into designing the cards - at least, to look at them they visually appear to be well-designed...so I wonder why they didn't even bother saying "Hey, we've stopped because of the following issues..."

Oh well, nothing any different from 99% of what's gone on in Amiga-land since 1993 or so.

Akiko · 15 June 2014, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by b0lt-thrower

I'm just throwing out some speculation here but I wonder if they went through all the prototyping and building of first-revision hardware then realized the PPC CPUs they'd purchased weren't OS4 compatible, and so abandoned the whole project.

It seems like they put a lot of time and effort into designing the cards - at least, to look at them they visually appear to be well-designed...so I wonder why they didn't even bother saying "Hey, we've stopped because of the following issues..."

Oh well, nothing any different from 99% of what's gone on in Amiga-land since 1993 or so.

Yes it was one of the MorphOS team Piru that pointed this out when the prototype was shown, so the developers discussed some possible workarounds before conceding it would need a completely new CPU instead.

My guess is this mistake was so costly that they would have been basically starting from scratch so decided it wasn't worth the effort.

Are maybe work continues behind the scenes, either way terrible communication.

tnt23 · 15 June 2014, 21:30

Why not releasing the crippled or partly populated version without PPC, but at least with 040 and 128M of RAM? Still would have its market IMO.

brett71 · 15 June 2014, 22:33

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Originally Posted by tnt23

Why not releasing the crippled or partly populated version without PPC, but at least with 040 and 128M of RAM? Still would have its market IMO.

I tend to agree with this, moreso when you factor in all the other functions they crammed onto the board. I think they had network, USB, and RTG graphics on the darn thing. I would have loved to have put one of those in my 3000 when I still had it, with or without the PPC. I'd have settled for an 060, too.

b0lt-thrower · 16 June 2014, 04:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnt23

Why not releasing the crippled or partly populated version without PPC, but at least with 040 and 128M of RAM? Still would have its market IMO.

I know, right? They could at least recoup some costs with an 040 card with features like SATA, more RAM and onboard video...

Oh well, reckon we'll never know.

Hewitson · 16 June 2014, 10:30

040? There is absolutely NO point bothering with anything less than an 060 which is considerably faster than the currently available accelerators.

UberFreak · 16 June 2014, 14:23

I completely agree, for me its 060 or nothing.
To enjoy 68k software from the last 10+ years (demos, PC game ports etc) you need an 060.

BigFan · 16 June 2014, 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnt23

Why not releasing the crippled or partly populated version without PPC, but at least with 040 and 128M of RAM? Still would have its market IMO.

I think Jens would have made some accelerators with 040/060 if they are available at reasonable prices. And he might have some better connections.

The market for 3000/4000 is too small to run a batch of crippled cards while costs are sky rocketing. At some point you have to made a decision, theirs was to stop it, because they were aiming at PPC not at lousy memory extension. Sad though.

Ikilledher · 21 January 2015, 10:48

There is a little update on the website.

brett71 · 21 January 2015, 23:29

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Originally Posted by Ikilledher

There is a little update on the website.

Forgive my jadedness, but it sounds like just enough of a tease to keep some hopes alive.

fryguy · 22 January 2015, 08:30

On the "Amiga: 30 years" facebook page you can read:

"Remember the UltimatePPC? Nay-sayers said is was dead, some even said is was vapour. Now, come to Amiga: 30 Years and be proven wrong. Talk to the developers, look at the card, touch it, smell it. It's real and it's there. Find out about the status, how far they have come, what the plans are and what has changed and why. It doesn't get more real than this!

http://www.ultimateppc.nl/"

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27 December 2013, 00:15	#101
crasbe Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 38	http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.ph...&postcount=285 This one. But the same user promised posting updates "before christmas 2012", "soon in january 2013" and "within ONE minute on 18.04.2013 14:28". Well... there were no updates. Just an "it's not dead".

11 June 2014, 21:27	#103
brett71 Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ames, IA, USA Posts: 521	Site hasn't been updated since January 2013... Can we call this incredibly promising piece of hardware....dead? Seems to me like all of these massively encouraging projects (NatAmi, CloneA, this PPC board) all seem to go suddenly silent, and I think it's because the designers ran into some sort of major showstopper and couldn't just say so because of the anticipation we all (me included) have for a hint of new life for our favorite retro computer.

12 June 2014, 02:37	#105
Akiko Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: UK Posts: 249	It's a shame with failed projects organisers usually can't be bothered logging into their own website and give a brief update that the project is now dead.

12 June 2014, 12:00	#106
jbenam Italian Amiga Zealot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Italy Age: 36 Posts: 1,910	The funny thing is that there's a fully assembled UltimatePPC in the pics - it's a bit sad to think that those are just fancy doorstoppers

12 June 2014, 20:36	#108
BigFan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 261	Anyone to remember the discussion about using QoriQ over G4/5? Different FPU with incompatible instruction set. And not only 68060 are hard to come by, 68040 in mint condition (not salvaged) at a reasonable price isn't in stock in numbers. Finally, total cost of production would raise average sales price upto 1000 - 1200 €. While there might be still some unshaken customers around those two guys had to pay bills before, and i don't see their investment paying off at all, not to talk about some cuts for them. Afair they planned to put some VGA and connectivity on it. Would require some good coders to do the drivers job.

15 June 2014, 17:57	#110
b0lt-thrower Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: US Posts: 111	I'm just throwing out some speculation here but I wonder if they went through all the prototyping and building of first-revision hardware then realized the PPC CPUs they'd purchased weren't OS4 compatible, and so abandoned the whole project. It seems like they put a lot of time and effort into designing the cards - at least, to look at them they visually appear to be well-designed...so I wonder why they didn't even bother saying "Hey, we've stopped because of the following issues..." Oh well, nothing any different from 99% of what's gone on in Amiga-land since 1993 or so.

15 June 2014, 21:30	#112
tnt23 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Saint-Petersburg / Russia Posts: 324	Why not releasing the crippled or partly populated version without PPC, but at least with 040 and 128M of RAM? Still would have its market IMO.

16 June 2014, 10:30	#115
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 41 Posts: 3,772	040? There is absolutely NO point bothering with anything less than an 060 which is considerably faster than the currently available accelerators.

16 June 2014, 14:23	#116
UberFreak Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: the world Posts: 439	I completely agree, for me its 060 or nothing. To enjoy 68k software from the last 10+ years (demos, PC game ports etc) you need an 060.

21 January 2015, 10:48	#118
Ikilledher Registered User Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: The Hague Posts: 22	There is a little update on the website.

22 January 2015, 08:30	#120
fryguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Skarabörg, Sweden Age: 44 Posts: 1,019	On the "Amiga: 30 years" facebook page you can read: "Remember the UltimatePPC? Nay-sayers said is was dead, some even said is was vapour. Now, come to Amiga: 30 Years and be proven wrong. Talk to the developers, look at the card, touch it, smell it. It's real and it's there. Find out about the status, how far they have come, what the plans are and what has changed and why. It doesn't get more real than this! http://www.ultimateppc.nl/"

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