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08 March 2019, 16:50 | #82 |
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5 pages of mass hysteria...
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And on another forum you say people disliking him wishing him to fall and that not shows good character but (as a developer) you should know that the way how people see you of course affects your chances in a market and Jens S. certainly was not very interested to be seen in a good light. As long as you have a kind of monopoly you can afford to do that but not if you have competition. And he is not alone in the "classic market" anymore, something he wanted to avoid obviously |
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I fully agree with you on this. Both Cloanto and the P96 team should have demanded the other to sign a contract. |
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Can't see where it e.g. endanger something like the planned Amiga reloaded (which seems close enough to an A1200 anyway). Yes, i don't like the Vampire and don't consider it Amiga-A-Like. And it targets only a very small group of people. I would imagine that 8/10 still active Amiga users don't care about it neither. Is he really interested in that market segment too? I don't think so. Maybe more in providing the licences for the newer P96 driver, but not to design own hardware which makes the Amiga extremly more "modern". |
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And it's things like this that make me want to leave anything Amiga related far behind. Not the lawsuit itself, that different parties have different views on ownership and other rights leading to the civilized way to settle things is normal if not desirable. But the comments and fanboyism... Makes me sick.
Schoenfeld made this situation and as a proper company (as he so often stated he is, unlike apparently all other hardware manufacturers in the Amiga world) should take the consequences. |
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MSDOS and Windows certainly are different products but not the Windows line. Of course all might have been rewritten in the background but it is still Windows. Maxon f.e. sells Cinema 4D but current version has nothing to do with Amiga version, it is a completely rewrite. But nobody would say it is a different product
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And even then if you get to the currently sold Windows, it is not a single product: you have the embedded developer product, the system integrator product, the home product, the businesses oriented product, the server product, etc. |
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Looks at boxes inside aquired over the last 8 years. +- 10 iComp boxes, 3 Hyperion boxes, 0 Cloanto boxes (had one but threw it away because the shit didn't work). Enough said I think. |
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Back on subject: Jens' A1200 like reloaded platform using the original chips was an avenue to sell more accelerator cards. Nothing more. If he leaves it opens up the market for someone else to take over. |
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Yeah, would love to see a comprehensive poll on that matter too. Then the "new gen" or "super modern" Amiga fraction would be probably surprised and get a proper reality check.
1. WinUAE 2. Classic Amiga or something like MiSTer. . . . . Vampire . . . NextGen |
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Ahem2... The 2000 DM Cloanto paid (in addition to the unspecified amount previously paid) certainly covered more than an individual user's license. |
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I don't expect anything. I am just pointing out what is the point of the matter. Today Cloanto sells three products and two of them contain P96: https://www.amigaforever.com/popup-compare/ In the past they had other products too. |
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As it should be. |
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All I see is that Cloanta or however the fuck they call themselves didn't deliver shit the last few years, nor did they contribute something valuable from an Amiga hobbyist point of few (a few emulators and Kickstarter roms that didn't work). This makes me conclude that they're only in it for the money. |
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Ehem. Of course they are. Everybody is, including Jens, Hyperion, AEON or whomever I forgot. You shouldn't forget that these are all commercial vendors, and they certainly need to make a living. That is all fine with me. If you don't like their products, don't buy them.
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