MIDI ports?

superquake · 25 October 2005, 11:42

Hi, a friend of mine is wanting to incorporate an Amiga music program into his recording studio set-up, but doesn't want to go the way of an actual Amiga. I suggested WinUAE, then he brought up the point of MIDI - does WinUAE support MIDI in/out/thru?

Thanks!

FromWithin · 25 October 2005, 13:27

For MIDI, you need to switch on the Serial port in UAE and select the MIDI ports in the "Game & I/O ports" tab. A real Amiga is highly recommended though, as the timing is much more accurate.

amiga · 25 October 2005, 13:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by FromWithin

For MIDI, you need to switch on the Serial port in UAE .

Not true !!
The serial port may be disabled.

FromWithin · 25 October 2005, 16:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by amiga

Not true !!
The serial port may be disabled.

Not if you want to run Bars&Pipes. And why on earth would you want to run anything else.

ElectroBlaster · 25 October 2005, 22:33

Octamed Soundstudio thats why :P

amiga · 26 October 2005, 09:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by FromWithin

Not if you want to run Bars&Pipes.

In newest WinUAEs, MIDI ports & serial port are independant. You can use MIDI Input with serial port turned off.

superquake · 26 October 2005, 11:15

Thanks guys, I'll pass the info on (it's actually Music Mouse that he wants to run

FromWithin · 26 October 2005, 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by amiga

In newest WinUAEs, MIDI ports & serial port are independant. You can use MIDI Input with serial port turned off.

How right you are. How does that work then? Bars&Pipes shouldn't work if it can't find a serial port. In fact, even with the serial port and MIDI ports disabled, it still plays the transport, which it never used to.

Rocs9005 · 08 December 2008, 16:42

Hi

I'm a long time Amiga user, and synth fan.
I've used music-x for a long time, and it's the main reason I still own a real Amiga. I realise many people would think Music-X is not best sequencer etc, but I'm not really after suggestions for an alternative.

I've tried using Music-X under WinUAE (including the most recent version).
The midi output seems to be routable easily enough in the i/o ports config, as has been described by others, but it seems that the timing is terrible. I always thought it was due to my oldish PC not being able to keep up, but I tried it on a Core2Duo 2.6GHz machine (on XP, and no other programs running) and the timing is still way out, no where near close enough for sequencing. Having seen WinUAE run demos that pushed the A500 without any noticable flaws, I thought it might work out better

Is my lack of WinUAE config knowledge the problem, or is tight midi timing
asking too much from an emulator even with todays PCs?

Thanks for any advice (unless it's "dont use music-x"

)

amiga · 08 December 2008, 16:49

@Rocs9005:

Try to set "Priority" to Normal (or below normal, which is better) in WinUAE priority panel settings.

Hungry Horace · 08 December 2008, 20:32

As a musician, i wouldnt recommend using UAE and MIDI anyway. (hell, i dont even recommend using music software on UAE)

No matter how hard you try to tweek the setup, the timing is still never as tight as genuine hardware.

Toni Wilen · 08 December 2008, 20:49

Then it looks like this problem is "solved".. (EDIT: why should I even care now?)

Hungry Horace · 08 December 2008, 21:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

(EDIT: why should I even care now?)

because some of your users would like to be able to do this with less hassle?

UncleSpam · 08 December 2008, 23:02

Will this work with a USB MIDI interface connected to Windows?

I have not had any luck getting the MIDI interface "discovered" in WinUAE, from within the emulation.

I can set it up correctly (the config sees the Windows MIDI drivers), but no Amiga program sees it.

amiga · 09 December 2008, 11:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleSpam

Will this work with a USB MIDI interface connected to Windows?

I have not had any luck getting the MIDI interface "discovered" in WinUAE, from within the emulation.

I can set it up correctly (the config sees the Windows MIDI drivers), but no Amiga program sees it.

Maybe it's got to do with CAMD.device not installed on amiga side (I'm guessing here).
Maybe Toni has a better answer ?

Toni Wilen · 09 December 2008, 11:47

There is no (yet?) "uaecamd.device". MIDI is always mapped to Amiga internal serial port.

Photon · 09 December 2008, 12:44

Is it routable to anything but the PC serial port?

Toni Wilen · 09 December 2008, 12:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Photon

Is it routable to anything but the PC serial port?

MIDI bitrate = routed to MIDI In/Out devices (if selected). Non-MIDI bitrate = routed to selected serial port.

amiga · 09 December 2008, 14:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

There is no (yet?) "uaecamd.device"...

This means you're working on it (or planning to do it) ??

HINT: answer me with a "YES" !

25 October 2005, 11:42	#1
superquake Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 76	MIDI ports? Hi, a friend of mine is wanting to incorporate an Amiga music program into his recording studio set-up, but doesn't want to go the way of an actual Amiga. I suggested WinUAE, then he brought up the point of MIDI - does WinUAE support MIDI in/out/thru? Thanks!

08 December 2008, 20:49	#12
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,506	Then it looks like this problem is "solved".. (EDIT: why should I even care now?) Last edited by Toni Wilen; 08 December 2008 at 20:57.

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25 October 2005, 13:27	#2
FromWithin Music lord Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Liverpool, UK Age: 50 Posts: 630	For MIDI, you need to switch on the Serial port in UAE and select the MIDI ports in the "Game & I/O ports" tab. A real Amiga is highly recommended though, as the timing is much more accurate.

25 October 2005, 22:33	#5
ElectroBlaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Age: 49 Posts: 1,705	Octamed Soundstudio thats why :P

26 October 2005, 11:15	#7
superquake Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 76	Thanks guys, I'll pass the info on (it's actually Music Mouse that he wants to run

08 December 2008, 16:42	#9
Rocs9005 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: UK Posts: 24	Hi I'm a long time Amiga user, and synth fan. I've used music-x for a long time, and it's the main reason I still own a real Amiga. I realise many people would think Music-X is not best sequencer etc, but I'm not really after suggestions for an alternative. I've tried using Music-X under WinUAE (including the most recent version). The midi output seems to be routable easily enough in the i/o ports config, as has been described by others, but it seems that the timing is terrible. I always thought it was due to my oldish PC not being able to keep up, but I tried it on a Core2Duo 2.6GHz machine (on XP, and no other programs running) and the timing is still way out, no where near close enough for sequencing. Having seen WinUAE run demos that pushed the A500 without any noticable flaws, I thought it might work out better Is my lack of WinUAE config knowledge the problem, or is tight midi timing asking too much from an emulator even with todays PCs? Thanks for any advice (unless it's "dont use music-x" )

08 December 2008, 16:49	#10
amiga Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Amiga_land Posts: 443	@Rocs9005: Try to set "Priority" to Normal (or below normal, which is better) in WinUAE priority panel settings.

08 December 2008, 20:32	#11
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	As a musician, i wouldnt recommend using UAE and MIDI anyway. (hell, i dont even recommend using music software on UAE) No matter how hard you try to tweek the setup, the timing is still never as tight as genuine hardware.

08 December 2008, 23:02	#14
UncleSpam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Burbank, CA Posts: 161	Will this work with a USB MIDI interface connected to Windows? I have not had any luck getting the MIDI interface "discovered" in WinUAE, from within the emulation. I can set it up correctly (the config sees the Windows MIDI drivers), but no Amiga program sees it.

09 December 2008, 11:47	#16
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,506	There is no (yet?) "uaecamd.device". MIDI is always mapped to Amiga internal serial port.

09 December 2008, 12:44	#17
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	Is it routable to anything but the PC serial port?

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