Special Amiga TOSEC tags

[mai]

This is an example of current renaming project.

Before renaming:

Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek).adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[a].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[a2].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a2].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a3].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a4].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][v SystemZ v5.0].adf

Thereafter renaming using ("cracktro disabled" and "cracktro removed")

Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek).adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a2].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a3].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a4].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a5 cracktro disabled].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a6 cracktro removed].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][v SystemZ v5.0].adf

[TCD]

Nice work there mai Will try to dig up some other common used tags for Amiga tomorrow (KS... comes to mind )

[Ian]

If it's different it's not an alt. If there is a difference to identify it then there's no need for the [a]

If idoru doesn't want the [m cracktro disabled] then there's no reason that [cracktro disabled] couldn't be used as it is "more info" which is what the [] was invented for.

Either way the less [a]'s there are the better

[mai]

Originally Posted by Ian

If it's different it's not an alt. If there is a difference to identify it then there's no need for the [a]

If idoru doesn't want the [m cracktro disabled] then there's no reason that [cracktro disabled] could be used as it is "more info" which is what the [] was invented for.

Either way the less [a]'s there are the better

Thank you for your opinion, Ian.
So we waiting for [Idoru], then he can explain and decide.

[mai]

Then it could be:

Before renaming..

Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek).adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[a].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[a2].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a2].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a3].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a4].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][v SystemZ v5.0].adf

Thereafter renaming

Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek).adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a2].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a3].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a4].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][m cracktro disabled].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][m cracktro removed].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][v SystemZ v5.0].adf

or

Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek).adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a2].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a3].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a4].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a5][cracktro disabled].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][a6][cracktro removed].adf
Amy Putt Classics, The (1988)(DigiTek)[cr Trilogy][v SystemZ v5.0].adf

...but if this is the solution, then we dont need [a no cracktro] etc. anymore, then this seems to be pointless

[TKaos]

I prefer the [m] method since the original cracks got modified but now people could also say "How you know it got modified and not made by the cracker like this?" but that still doesn't convince me to not use [m] flag.

[TCD]

[KS]

This tag is used if a disk requires a non standard kickstart (1.3 for OCS/ECS or 3.0/3.1 for AGA) to make it work.

I hope this is correct and I think some disks need to be updated. I will have a look later and tomorrow to make a list of those who need this tag

[mai]

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

[KS]

This tag is used if a disk requires a non standard kickstart (1.3 for OCS/ECS or 3.0/3.1 for AGA) to make it work.

I hope this is correct and I think some disks need to be updated. I will have a look later and tomorrow to make a list of those who need this tag

nearly correct i think.
Let me try to be more precise.
General i would say, there is no need to use [KS1.3], this should be the standard KS.
I also would say, there is no need to use [KS3.0] and [KS3.1], this games/
programs then most time automatically needs AGA.
[KS3.0] and [KS3.1] were never used in current Amigagames-dat.
The most used more info flags are:
[KS1.2] game/program needs Kickstart 1.2 to run
[KS2.0] game/program needs Kickstart 2.0 to run

[TCD]

What I meant is that 1.3, 3.0 and 3.1 are the 'standard' kickstarts that don't have to be mentioned Anyway I think there are some disks that are missing the [KS2.0] info (OCS/ECS games).

[mai]

update

[FD-HD]
Description:
This flag is used, if it is required to install the game to Floppy or to Harddisk first.

[FD]
Description:
This flag is used, if it is required to install the game to Floppy first.
(Seems to be very rare.)

[HD]
Description:
This flag is used, if it is required to install the game to Harddisk.
The [HD] flag is often used wrong in the current Amiga-dat.
This flag is not used, if the game was fixed or modified to work on HD.

[WB]
Description:
This flag is used, if it is required to load the "Workbench" first,
before you can start the game/program.
This flag is not used, if the game/program loads the "workbench" for itself
( simple loadwb command).

[KS1.2]
[KS2.0]
Description:
[KS1.2] is used, if the game/program needs the Kickstart 1.2 ROM to run.
[KS2.0] is used, if the game/program needs the Kickstart 2.0 ROM to run.
There is no need to use [KS1.3], [KS3.0], [KS3.1].
[KS1.3] is the standard KS for OCS/ECS games.
[KS3.0], [KS3.1] most time are AGA-games, so there is no need to add.

@TCD, Give me tips/hints to be more precise, or if i should change anything!

[TCD]

Originally Posted by mai

@TCD, Give me tips/hints to be more precise, or if i should change anything!

Look good so far mai Let's hear what the others say and hunt for more tags

[PandMonium]

don't know if this helps but:

"*KS*" more info flags used in Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]:

'FD, KS2.0'
'KS1.2'
'KS1.2, AMOS'
'KS1.3'
'KS2.0'
'KS2.0 or CLI - 'pinkyrun' on KS1.3'
'KS2.0, 4Mb'
'KS2.0, AMOS'
'KS2.04'
'KS2.04, write enable'

"*KS*" more info flags used in all Commodore Amiga dats:

'FD, KS2.0'
'HD, KS2'
'HD, KS2.0'
'HD, KS3.0'
'KS 1.2'
'KS 2.0'
'KS 2.05'
'KS1.2'
'KS1.2, 2Mb'
'KS1.2, AMOS'
'KS1.3'
'KS2, Call-Ware'
'KS2.0'
'KS2.0 or CLI - 'pinkyrun' on KS1.3'
'KS2.0, 2Mb'
'KS2.0, 4Mb'
'KS2.0, AMOS'
'KS2.0, C64 conversion'
'KS2.0, Frotz interpreter'
'KS2.0, Frotz interpreter - Adventure 07'
'KS2.0, Frotz interpreter - Adventure 14'
'KS2.0, SurveyWare, AMOS'
'KS2.0, WB'
'KS2.0, packed'
'KS2.0, req. explode.library V4+'
'KS2.0, unregistered'
'KS2.04'
'KS2.04, AMOS'
'KS2.04, write enable'
'KS3.0'
'KS3.1 patch'
'KSpread 2, Jun 1994'
'WB, KS1.3'
'WB, KS1.3, AMOS'
'WB, KS2.0'

also something that i already said before:
I think the more info flag lists are too big because of 'non standardized' usage of them (for example lots of variations to the same flag or packing 2 things in one flag)
Example (in games - adf):
You both already described the "[FD]" and "[KS2.0]" flag.

flag - times used
[FD] - 1
[KS2.0] - 27

So if one search in a datfile for "[KS2.0]" at the end of the setnames, he will find all sets that common to that, etc, etc.

But, for example there is also one "[FD, KS2.0]" that would not be found this way, is only used once and i don't know if using "FD, KS2.0" is the best way to do it since i think they are not related and are 2 different informations (+ there is no rule in TNC that talks about splitting things in more info field with ", ") so i guess that maybe it is like:

Championship Manager 2 - Including Season 96-97 Updates v1.57 (1997)(Eidos)[cr FLT][rm][FD, KS2.0]

but could also be:

Championship Manager 2 - Including Season 96-97 Updates v1.57 (1997)(Eidos)[cr FLT][rm][FD][KS2.0]

[mai]

@PandMonium, Thank you for the efforts, and of course it helps,
that gives me the next question
@TCD, Is there any need to make differences to use [KS2.0] [KS2.04], [KS2.05]
I think its all the same, if we use general [KS2.0] it should be ok.
Tell me please.

[PandMonium]

Originally Posted by mai

@PandMonium, Thank you for the efforts, and of course it helps, that gives me the next question

Nice to know, if you want i can give you a list of all more info flags used in Amiga - Games - [ADF] dat (217 flags) with usage status or in all Amiga dats instead (4175 different flags used ) [but a lot of them are used only once like the SPS datfile where each set has a counter in more info flag, thats the reason for such an high number, without SPS the total is 1518]

Originally Posted by mai

@TCD, Is there any need to make differences to use [KS2.0] [KS2.04], [KS2.05]
I think its all the same, if we use general [KS2.0] it should be ok.
Tell me please.

Anyway i didn't say those were wrong and i don't see anything bad in using [KS2.04] if the image really needs Kickstart 2.04 to work
What i said is that i prefer to have few flags that are used at same time when needed instead of lots of big flags used few times.
(Like "[KS2.0]", "[AMOS]" vs "[KS2.0]", "[AMOS]", "[KS2.0, AMOS]" using "[KS2.0][AMOS]" when needed instead of "[KS2.0, AMOS]" which is only used 3 times )

[TCD]

Originally Posted by mai

@TCD, Is there any need to make differences to use [KS2.0] [KS2.04], [KS2.05]
I think its all the same, if we use general [KS2.0] it should be ok.
Tell me please.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the difference between 2.04 and 2.05 is the support the harddrives (I know somebody will correct me ). I don't think the difference matters for which kickstart can boot the disk. Anyway could you make a pack of the disks with the [KS2.04] and [KS2.05] tags and upload them to Magix FTP. I would have a look tomorrow to make sure it works with both versions (and possibly KS 3.0 too) and you can go on with your great renaming work

[mai]

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the difference between 2.04 and 2.05 is the support the harddrives (I know somebody will correct me ). I don't think the difference matters for which kickstart can boot the disk. Anyway could you make a pack of the disks with the [KS2.04] and [KS2.05] tags and upload them to Magix FTP. I would have a look tomorrow to make sure it works with both versions (and possibly KS 3.0 too) and you can go on with your great renaming work

Sorry in current TOSEC-dat:Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF] (TOSEC-v2006-10-19_CM).dat are only a few.
KS2.04 2 games
KS2.05 0 games
KS3.0 0 games
KS3.1 0 games

[TCD]

Okay, I have one disk with 2.04 and one with 2.05 here (a demo and an app), so I will test those with both kicks tomorrow

[BippyM]

you guys do know that it is possbile for a game to require ks3+ and still run on ecs machines don't you. I know it is highly unlikely that any exist, but it is possible!

[TCD]

I also thought there might be some that really require KS 3+ and not only KS 2+. Now it pays off that I made my 2900 configs I'll will look for those that have KS 3+ and ECS and check if they also work with KS 2

[PandMonium]

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Anyway could you make a pack of the disks with the [KS2.04] and [KS2.05] tags and upload them to Magix FTP. I would have a look tomorrow to make sure it works with both versions (and possibly KS 3.0 too) and you can go on with your great renaming work

I can make a *list* (not a pack)

"[KS2.04]":

Commodore Amiga - Applications - Public Domain - [ADF]:
Term v4.3 (1995)(Barthel, Olaf)(GW)(Disk 1 of 6)[KS2.04]
Term v4.3 (1995)(Barthel, Olaf)(GW)(Disk 2 of 6)[KS2.04]
Term v4.3 (1995)(Barthel, Olaf)(GW)(Disk 3 of 6)[KS2.04]
Term v4.3 (1995)(Barthel, Olaf)(GW)(Disk 4 of 6)[KS2.04]
Term v4.3 (1995)(Barthel, Olaf)(GW)(Disk 5 of 6)[KS2.04]
Term v4.3 (1995)(Barthel, Olaf)(GW)(Disk 6 of 6)[KS2.04]

Commodore Amiga - Applications - [ADF]:
AmiExpress Professional v4.0 (1994)(Lightspeed Technologies)[KS2.04][HD]

Commodore Amiga - Coverdisks - [ADF]:
CU Amiga - Disk 101 (1995-02)(EMAP Images)(GB)[KS2.04]

Commodore Amiga - Demos - Various - [ADF]:
Nonsens (1995-11-30)(Humbugs)[KS2.04]

Commodore Amiga - Diskmags:
Audial Talk - Issue 2 (1994-06-22)(Limited Edition)[a][KS2.04]
Audial Talk - Issue 2 (1994-06-22)(Limited Edition)[KS2.04]

Commodore Amiga - Games - Public Domain - [ADF]:
Atom Smasher v1.2 (1993)(Papworth, David)(PD)[h Assassins - ALE][a][KS2.04]
Atom Smasher v1.2 (1993)(Papworth, David)(PD)[h Assassins - ALE][KS2.04]
Egyptian Run v1.1 (199x)(Hames, Chris)(SW)[h Assassins - ALE][KS2.04]
Electrek (1993)(PCSdev)(SW)[h Assassins - ALE][KS2.04]
Escape (1991)(Kryptic)(PD)[h Assassins - ALE][KS2.04]
Fight! (19xx)(Hartmann, Michael - Kick Start)(PD)(pre-release)[h Assassins - ALE][KS2.04]
Fruit Panic (1992)(Calvo, Jose Angel - Calvo, David)(PD)[h Assassins - ALE][KS2.04]
Jonas Fulstrand (19xx)(Gunnarsson, Marcus)(PD)[h Assassins - ALE][KS2.04]
Kar Champ (19xx)(-)(PD)[h Assassins - ALE][b][KS2.04]
Last Tetris, The v1.0 (1993)(Lidberg, Fredrik)(CW)[h Assassins - ALE][KS2.04]
Leap! v2.0 (19xx)(Round, Martin)(PAL)(PD)[h Assassins - ALE][KS2.04]
Mad Bomber Version II (1991)(Papworth, David)(PD)[h Assassins - ALE][KS2.04]
Mad Factory v3.0 (1989)(Stumm, Roman)[h Assassins - ALE][KS2.04]
Mamba Move (1991-08)(Boldorf, Stefan)[h Assassins - ALE][KS2.04]
Mutant Penguin v1.0 (1994-04-28)(Bartram, Anthony - Smart Software)(PAL)(PD)[h Assassins - ALE][KS2.04, AMOS]
Punter v1.0 (19xx)(Bye, Steve)(PD)[h Assassins - ALE][a][KS2.04]
Punter v1.0 (19xx)(Bye, Steve)(PD)[h Assassins - ALE][KS2.04]
Push (1989)(Courbois Software)(PD)[h Assassins - ALE][KS2.04]
Rubber v1.0 (1994)(Smart Software)(SW)[h ALE][KS2.04]
Rush Hour (1990)(Spreen, Andreas)(FW)[KS2.04]

Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]:
Bomb'X (1993)(Mediagogo)(en-fr)[cr Outlaws][h new levels][KS2.04, write enable]
Steel Devils (19xx)(SSR)[cr AFL][KS2.04]

"[KS3.*]":

Commodore Amiga - Applications - [ADF]:
CD32 Emulator (199x)(-)[KS3.0][HD]

Commodore Amiga - Diskmags:
No Sense - Issue 1 (1996-02-05)(C-Lous)(AGA)[a][KS3.0]
No Sense - Issue 1 (1996-02-05)(C-Lous)(AGA)[KS3.0]
Party 1995, The - The Official Info Mag (1995)(Various)(AGA)[KS3.0]
Leuk & Stoer - Issue 1 (19xx)(Effect)(de)[KS3.0]
No Sense - Issue 1 (1996-02-05)(C-Lous)(AGA)[a2][KS3.0]
No Sense - Issue 1 (1996-02-05)(C-Lous)(AGA)[a4][KS3.0]

Commodore Amiga - Games - Emerald Mine:
Emerald Mine (1987)(Kingsoft)[cr][h][KS3.1 patch]

Commodore Amiga - Games - Public Domain - [ADF]:
Almagica - Scions of a Forgotten World (demo-playable) (1997)(DSP)(AGA)(FW)[HD, KS3.0]
Operation Desert Storm (1994-06-10)(Spike)(PD)[KS3.0]

"[KS *]":

Commodore Amiga - Applications - [ADF]:
Demo Maniac Preview v1.15 (1994)(Black Legend)[KS 2.0]
Power Packer Professional v4.3 (1992)(UGA Software)[KS 2.05]

Commodore Amiga - Compilations - Games:
Megadeth Disk - 5 Games (1989)(-)[KS 1.2]

Commodore Amiga - Demos - Various - [ADF]:
Public Enemy 1993 (1993)(Public Enemy)[KS 2.0]

Commodore Amiga - Games - Emerald Mine:
Emerald Mine (1987)(Kingsoft)[KS 1.2]

Commodore Amiga - Games - Public Domain - [ADF]:
Balder's Grove v1.11 (1993-02-06)(Antonsson, Morgan)(FW)[h ALE][KS 2.0]