strange Lionheart Buttons......

Hi All, just been playing one of my fave amiga games - Lionheart and when you change the joystick to use 2 buttons in the options menu and start a game Lionheart does not recognize the 2nd button (i am using an x-arcade, but any button config does not work).



However if you use winuae 2.0.1 (2009.12.23) version everything works fine.


Any Ideas ?????




Cheers,
Lee

[jotd]

Sometimes games don't support 2nd button properly. In WinUAE configure your controller as "CD32 pad", not "Default", and the 2nd button will work even for games which don't reset POTGO on read.

sorry i just figured it out and it works great many thanks !!!!




can't thank you enough for the fast reply, but how do i config the controller to cd32 - can't find it anywhere in gameports or input options


thanks

[DamienD]

Originally Posted by leezer

but how do i config the controller to cd32 - can't find it anywhere in gameports or input options


thanks

[Toni Wilen]

Gamepad is more "correct" option but CD32 pad should also work.

[Marchie]

I've noticed this -button issue on real hardware - is there any solution if you not using UAE?

[DamienD]

Use the WHDLoad version I guess:

- CD³² joypad buttons supported (2-button enabled by default)

[Toni Wilen]

Originally Posted by Marchie

I've noticed this -button issue on real hardware - is there any solution if you not using UAE?

Solder 10kohm or so resistor between 2nd button pin and +5v.

Problem is caused by incorrect Paula IO pin software config. Wrong config only works if 2nd (and 3rd if used) button line has pullup resistor. Some Amiga compatible game pads have it, some don't.

[Shatterhand]

This is WHDLoad messing with the game. Lionheart works perfectly with a 6 button megadrive pad on my A600 running from floppies.

I see some WHDLOAD slaves screw things when adding CD32 support. Battle Squadron abd Hybris are another 2 examples.

[jotd]

you can file a complaint to Psygore for this on mantis, because here it's not so useful.

[Retro-Nerd]

I have no problems at all with my CD32 pads (and pads which uses a converter to a proper CD32 button layout) and the WHDLoad versions of Hybris, Battle Squadron and Lionheart. Don't use a Mega Drive pad directly on the Amiga when CD32 controller support is enabled in the slaves. This won't work properly for some games.

[jotd]

what is true is that if automatic controller detection isn't present in the slave, reading a 2 button joystick like a CD32 joypad doesn't work: pressing any button presses ALL the buttons (pause included).

In my latest CD32 joypad adaptations (Bubble n squeak, SOTB3, Silkworm) I have added joypad detection. If CD32 joypad isn't detected, then only 2nd button is read.

[Retro-Nerd]

Originally Posted by jotd

In my latest CD32 joypad adaptations (Bubble n squeak, SOTB3, Silkworm) I have added joypad detection. If CD32 joypad isn't detected, then only 2nd button is read.

Yep, that sounds smart. Should be adapted to other slaves.

[Marchie]

Originally Posted by Shatterhand

This is WHDLoad messing with the game. Lionheart works perfectly with a 6 button megadrive pad on my A600 running from floppies.

I see some WHDLOAD slaves screw things when adding CD32 support. Battle Squadron abd Hybris are another 2 examples.

Time to drag out my old half-working floppies I guess...

On that subject, I remember reading somewhere about people 'fixing' older games to support 2 buttons (eg: Superfrog with 2nd button for jump). Is it so?

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

I have no problems at all with my CD32 pads (and pads which uses a converter to a proper CD32 button layout) and the WHDLoad versions of Hybris, Battle Squadron and Lionheart. Don't use a Mega Drive pad directly on the Amiga when CD32 controller support is enabled in the slaves. This won't work properly for some games.

I'll dig out my CD32 pads and see if that makes a difference, I've been using Quickshot joysticks set to 'Sega' mode to get 2 buttons...


NOTE: Just saw that this thread is under WinUAE support, so I'm kind of going off-topic talking about real HW, apologies.

[jotd]

Ruff & Tumble has it too. Now it's up to Psygore, who never provides his sources, so only him can fix it.

On that subject, I remember reading somewhere about people 'fixing' older games to support 2 buttons (eg: Superfrog with 2nd button for jump). Is it so?

yes. Some whdload slaves do that. There's a list somewhere on EAB. I use to put back arcade controls in arcade ports for instance (Silkworm, Toki, GhostsNGoblins, some others I forgot). Also added button jump for Wonderdog. Superfrog isn't in the list. But would deserve it.

[Shatterhand]

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

I have no problems at all with my CD32 pads (and pads which uses a converter to a proper CD32 button layout) and the WHDLoad versions of Hybris, Battle Squadron and Lionheart. Don't use a Mega Drive pad directly on the Amiga when CD32 controller support is enabled in the slaves. This won't work properly for some games.

I must admit I looked at it very briefly, so that's why I didn't fill a Mantis bug report, but from what I saw, there wasn't even a way to DISABLE CD32 controller support from the Slave.

I'm probably wrong though

[Retro-Nerd]

Then you can ask for a feature request on Mantis. A tooltype that disables the CD32 pad support should fix your issues.

[jotd]

would be a pity to add such an option when you can detect joypad vs standard joystick automatically and reliably.

I'm kind of going off-topic talking about real HW, apologies.

Well, no, as Toni took extra care to emulate either joystick, with the infamous POTGO to reset, and CD32 where the reset is done automatically. HW or emulator is the same: on-topic.