Amiga emulator with a game pre-loaded?

Farflame · 16 April 2015, 16:30

This is probably a silly question, but I'm wondering if it's possible. Would it be possible for me to have a game pre-loaded into an emulator, and then save the entire state of the machine and have that available for somebody else to download / install so that they can just install and instantly play that one game?

The reason I ask is that I wrote an Amiga game which didn't sell, but the snapshots are available somewhere on the internet. I'd like to have it available in a pre-loaded form so that people can just play that game without having to install and prepare the emulator etc (which they probably won't want to do).

I know it's unlikely, but worth a try

dreamkatcha · 16 April 2015, 23:56

This is exactly what these guys specialise in so it might be a good place to begin researching how it's done.

Toni Wilen · 17 April 2015, 08:07

Unpack all files to same directory + startup script/config file is all you need (but also remember KS ROM license issues if your program does not work with aros rom replacement). There is no need to actually install anything.

Embedding binary to any UAE variant is GPL license violation. (Unless your program is GPL compatible and sources are available)

Farflame · 29 April 2015, 22:10

Thanks for the answers. I'm afraid that I'm fairly new to this though and I'm not sure where to start. Could you give me some pointers? Is there a page / resource I could read to help me with the basics? Would I need a particular emulator?

mark_k · 30 April 2015, 17:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Embedding binary to any UAE variant is GPL license violation. (Unless your program is GPL compatible and sources are available)

Presumably that applies to the embedded AROS ROM and WinUAE boot ROM too, though..?

Toni Wilen · 30 April 2015, 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farflame

Thanks for the answers. I'm afraid that I'm fairly new to this though and I'm not sure where to start. Could you give me some pointers? Is there a page / resource I could read to help me with the basics? Would I need a particular emulator?

Depends what you mean by "install"? Do you require "real" installer or something like zip archive that user unpacks and then double clicks unpacked executable?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark_k

Presumably that applies to the embedded AROS ROM and WinUAE boot ROM too, though..?

AROS is license compatible and "boot rom" assembly source is included with source archive.

mark_k · 30 April 2015, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

AROS is license compatible and "boot rom" assembly source is included with source archive.

Regarding the boot ROM: doh, I just saw filesys_bootrom.cpp! Obviously that's there because there's (probably) no compatible 68K cross-assembler for Windows.

Have the AROS devs specifically said they are okay with AROS being relicensed under the GNU GPL though? Back in 2012 it seems (at least some people) thought that the APL is not GPL-compatible; see this forum thread. Also whoever wrote this page thinks the APL is not GPL-compatible.

Toni Wilen · 30 April 2015, 18:58

Hmm.. I don't remember details anymore but no one ever said there was any license problems when this project for embedded rom replacement started years ago.

Farflame · 05 May 2015, 17:44

The game that I want to use was written by me and never sold. So in that regard, I'm still the owner of the game so presumably won't be breaking any laws.

Ideally, I'd like it to be as simple as possible, not only for me but for my customers (the game is similar to a Play-by-Mail game which I still run, which is why they may be interested). So I'd like them to be able to just double-click to open and run it. Sounds a bit unlikely to me, but if it's possible, that would be perfect.

thomas · 05 May 2015, 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farflame

the snapshots are available somewhere on the internet

If you would give a link, somebody could examine it and perhaps build a package for you or at least tell you that (and why) it might not be legal.

Farflame · 12 May 2015, 03:25

Here's the link (note that the programmer's name is wrong, that guy wrote a game with the same name (which sold). This one didn't sell). It's on 3 disks and it does work on an emulator. I would appreciate if anybody could give me more information or let me know if they can get this working.

http://hol.abime.net/1463

thomas · 12 May 2015, 10:24

This link points to a database with information about the game, not to the game itself.

ma693541 · 12 May 2015, 17:58

Game uploaded to The Zone!

Farflame · 13 May 2015, 04:25

Hmmm, I did get the game running on an emulator a few years ago and remember using that page.

ma693541, when you say the game is uploaded to the Zone, could you tell me where that is please? Could I get a link?

ma693541 · 13 May 2015, 10:26

Check this link first; Rules & Help.
The Zone! is the link to the left of "Log Out".

thomas · 13 May 2015, 11:55

The zoned game does not run with the internal AROS ROM. It loads, shows the intro screen but when the Workbench screen appears it just flashes green/black quickly.

Farflame · 13 May 2015, 16:26

Thanks ma, I've found and joined the Zone. I don't currently have an emulator so I'll sort that out first then try to get the game running. Then hopefully I can work towards my original plan, it would be nice, at the very least, to preserve my game in some working state.

Farflame · 13 May 2015, 16:42

Can't get it working on WinUAE at the mo, but I might not even better using the emulator correctly. I haven't installed a ROM but it seems to boot up ok if I scan the ROMS and use the default one. But the game gives a software error.

Farflame · 31 May 2015, 00:01

Just a quick bump. I've been very busy lately, converting my game to a server, so I haven't had much time. Could anyone give me some idea of where I could read up on this to get started? Frankly, right now, I have no idea.

BigFan · 31 May 2015, 16:07

winuae and kickrom 3.1 for aga machines (1200/4000) required.

does not start with aros boot rom.

no hd install?

amos basic ? joystick control ? i quit !!

16 April 2015, 16:30	#1
Farflame Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Hucknall Posts: 10	Amiga emulator with a game pre-loaded? This is probably a silly question, but I'm wondering if it's possible. Would it be possible for me to have a game pre-loaded into an emulator, and then save the entire state of the machine and have that available for somebody else to download / install so that they can just install and instantly play that one game? The reason I ask is that I wrote an Amiga game which didn't sell, but the snapshots are available somewhere on the internet. I'd like to have it available in a pre-loaded form so that people can just play that game without having to install and prepare the emulator etc (which they probably won't want to do). I know it's unlikely, but worth a try

16 April 2015, 23:56	#2
dreamkatcha I've got a new byline Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 1,219	This is exactly what these guys specialise in so it might be a good place to begin researching how it's done. Last edited by dreamkatcha; 17 April 2015 at 11:20. Reason: link removed for legal reasons, sorry

31 May 2015, 16:07	#20
BigFan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 261	winuae and kickrom 3.1 for aga machines (1200/4000) required. does not start with aros boot rom. no hd install? amos basic ? joystick control ? i quit !! Last edited by BigFan; 31 May 2015 at 16:26.

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17 April 2015, 08:07	#3
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,503	Unpack all files to same directory + startup script/config file is all you need (but also remember KS ROM license issues if your program does not work with aros rom replacement). There is no need to actually install anything. Embedding binary to any UAE variant is GPL license violation. (Unless your program is GPL compatible and sources are available)

29 April 2015, 22:10	#4
Farflame Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Hucknall Posts: 10	Thanks for the answers. I'm afraid that I'm fairly new to this though and I'm not sure where to start. Could you give me some pointers? Is there a page / resource I could read to help me with the basics? Would I need a particular emulator?

30 April 2015, 18:58	#8
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,503	Hmm.. I don't remember details anymore but no one ever said there was any license problems when this project for embedded rom replacement started years ago.

05 May 2015, 17:44	#9
Farflame Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Hucknall Posts: 10	The game that I want to use was written by me and never sold. So in that regard, I'm still the owner of the game so presumably won't be breaking any laws. Ideally, I'd like it to be as simple as possible, not only for me but for my customers (the game is similar to a Play-by-Mail game which I still run, which is why they may be interested). So I'd like them to be able to just double-click to open and run it. Sounds a bit unlikely to me, but if it's possible, that would be perfect.

12 May 2015, 03:25	#11
Farflame Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Hucknall Posts: 10	Here's the link (note that the programmer's name is wrong, that guy wrote a game with the same name (which sold). This one didn't sell). It's on 3 disks and it does work on an emulator. I would appreciate if anybody could give me more information or let me know if they can get this working. http://hol.abime.net/1463

12 May 2015, 10:24	#12
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	This link points to a database with information about the game, not to the game itself.

12 May 2015, 17:58	#13
ma693541 Computer Wizard Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ramberg/Norway Posts: 928	Game uploaded to The Zone!

13 May 2015, 04:25	#14
Farflame Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Hucknall Posts: 10	Hmmm, I did get the game running on an emulator a few years ago and remember using that page. ma693541, when you say the game is uploaded to the Zone, could you tell me where that is please? Could I get a link?

13 May 2015, 10:26	#15
ma693541 Computer Wizard Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ramberg/Norway Posts: 928	Check this link first; Rules & Help. The Zone! is the link to the left of "Log Out".

13 May 2015, 11:55	#16
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	The zoned game does not run with the internal AROS ROM. It loads, shows the intro screen but when the Workbench screen appears it just flashes green/black quickly.

13 May 2015, 16:26	#17
Farflame Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Hucknall Posts: 10	Thanks ma, I've found and joined the Zone. I don't currently have an emulator so I'll sort that out first then try to get the game running. Then hopefully I can work towards my original plan, it would be nice, at the very least, to preserve my game in some working state.

13 May 2015, 16:42	#18
Farflame Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Hucknall Posts: 10	Can't get it working on WinUAE at the mo, but I might not even better using the emulator correctly. I haven't installed a ROM but it seems to boot up ok if I scan the ROMS and use the default one. But the game gives a software error.

31 May 2015, 00:01	#19
Farflame Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Hucknall Posts: 10	Just a quick bump. I've been very busy lately, converting my game to a server, so I haven't had much time. Could anyone give me some idea of where I could read up on this to get started? Frankly, right now, I have no idea.

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