Old Amiga's conversions Vs. MAME

atchoo · 08 November 2011, 20:54

If you want to (re)play old arcade games, do you prefer the old Amiga's conversions you played many years ago (on actual Amiga or WinUAE and when they were good, obviously) or MAME?
Nostalgia or "perfection" (without a cabinet and its 15Khz monitor it's not true perfection though)?

Coagulus · 08 November 2011, 20:58

depends what game, Rodland would be the Miggy version for me.

And anyway, what's wrong with nostalgia AND perfection. I play the Arcade, Amiga and Megadrive versions of Golden Axe, and even others such as the Speccy version!

atchoo · 08 November 2011, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coagulus

what's wrong with nostalgia AND perfection.

Nothing!

My question is more limited though.
I assume you was playing that game, Golden Axe for example, many years ago on Amiga. If you want to play that game *now*, Amiga (= nostalgia) or MAME (= perfection)?

Thorham · 08 November 2011, 21:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by atchoo

If you want to (re)play old arcade games, do you prefer the old Amiga's conversions you played many years ago (on actual Amiga or WinUAE and when they were good, obviously) or MAME?
Nostalgia or "perfection" (without a cabinet and its 15Khz monitor it's not true perfection though)?

Since nostalgia isn't important to me, it basically boils down to the quality of a conversion. If it's arcade perfect, such as Pang, I'll play it on my Amiga, if not, I would use Mame (which I don't do, because my peecee is a sub gigahertz Pentium 3 and I haven't had any good Mame experiences at all because of it).

Bloodwych · 08 November 2011, 22:01

Arcade game conversions weren't the best bunch in general for the 'miggy, so MAME most the time. As a kid, I so wanted some of those Arcades in my bedroom and that kind of stays with me today.

As mentioned above, there are a few exceptions - like Silkworm!

deicidal · 09 November 2011, 10:28

As a rule I prefer to play the original which of course is the arcade version but sometimes the Amiga version was better Midnight Resitance been one of them.

LuMan · 10 November 2011, 10:23

Interesting question, atchoo.

For me, nostalgia does add to the overall gaming experience so, in some cases, I'll deliberately play a game on my Miggy (or other computer/console) even though the arcade version is better. California Games on the Lynx is a prime example of this. Oddly, I also prefer the Miggy version of R-Type to the arcade version....

Having said that, Hard Drivin' (for example) is better under MAME than any other 'home' version (in my opinion), so I'll generally only play that in MAME, except for those odd times when I want to smile at the Gameboy version

But like you mentioned, for true realism you need a cab - particularly for Hard Drivin', S.T.U.N Runner and Return Of The Jedi

P-J · 10 November 2011, 11:50

For me it tends to be whichever I played first, arcade or Amiga.

Although it is nice to finally play the arcade version of games that I had on the Amiga and couldn't play at the arcades at the time. Or I didn't realise it was actually an arcade conversion, as in a lot of cases.

TCD · 10 November 2011, 13:07

For me part of the fun is to discover the differences. Since I really like MOD music, I can 'forgive' small shortcomings in an Amiga conversion if the music is great. As others have mentioned, you should try both (or even more versions) and decide for yourself (that's the nice bit about emulation

).

stevsurv · 11 November 2011, 02:16

Some of the Amiga versions were better, like Silkworm had superior graphics and sound to Mame/Arcade versions. Was kinda disapointed with the mame version.

Operation Wolf was better sound/music wise and was different in gameplay too. I remember playing a lot of the games on Arcade machines first then wanted and played them on the Amy.

Still theres nostalgia for both systems!

laffer · 11 November 2011, 04:43

MAME most of the time, except with brilliant ports such as Pang! and Silkworm.

Bamiga2002 · 11 November 2011, 14:49

Maybe offtopic but I'd really like to see Legend Of Hero Tonma conversion made on Natami!

spiff · 11 November 2011, 15:49

Echoes what I said in the perfect arcade conversion thread:

Always mame. (Almost) All of the conversions are worse, 25fps vs 60, and they load slower, miss 2p support etc.
Apart from the music of silkwom, how is it better on the amiga? Less playfield, less colours, slower updates

I do prefer to listen so some amiga mod versions of the arcade (Chase HQ).
Amiga is flashback, gods, lemmings, Civ or IK+ for me.. the "main platform games"

s2325 · 11 November 2011, 15:52

no word about Rolling Thunder?

Bamiga2002 · 11 November 2011, 16:16

Silkworm is IMO in fact better on Amiga than on arcade, you can see more on-screen on Amiga. And ofcourse the nostalgia...

Quote:

Originally Posted by s2325

no word about Rolling Thunder?

You mean the game where there are fags with bags on their heads?

spiff · 11 November 2011, 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bamiga2002

Silkworm is IMO in fact better on Amiga than on arcade, you can see more on-screen on Amiga. And ofcourse the nostalgia...

Vertical vs horizontal space and sprite size... but you do have a valid point. Amiga | Mame 1 - 4982

Quote:

Originally Posted by s2325

no word about Rolling Thunder?

Is that the american name of super street figher cd32?

atchoo · 11 November 2011, 17:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bamiga2002

Silkworm is IMO in fact better on Amiga than on arcade, you can see more on-screen on Amiga. And ofcourse the nostalgia...

Amiga's Silkworm is a great game, but it's not a great conversion*! Luckily!

* it's a shame Random Access/The Sales Curve wasn't working on best arcade's conversions (except Rod-Land)...

Peter · 11 November 2011, 18:01

Crack Down was good on three systems imho... good on arcade/mame - mega drive and Amiga... really tough game though!

spiff · 11 November 2011, 18:50

Looks good in the screenshot box...

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jeff b00toNic · 17 November 2011, 18:41

Depends on which game it is. For me the best coinup conversion is PANG!
and good ones are Silkworm, Rodland, Dragon Ninja and Double Dragon 3.

Forgot to mention Final Fight which I played first on Arcade and later on Amiga.
I kinda liked the conversion because I was proud of my Amiga heaving such a great Arcade game.
Even if it wasn't perfect except some graphics and the walk animation of the characters.

08 November 2011, 20:54	#1
atchoo SWOS enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Italy Age: 47 Posts: 45	Old Amiga's conversions Vs. MAME If you want to (re)play old arcade games, do you prefer the old Amiga's conversions you played many years ago (on actual Amiga or WinUAE and when they were good, obviously) or MAME? Nostalgia or "perfection" (without a cabinet and its 15Khz monitor it's not true perfection though)?

11 November 2011, 18:50	#19
spiff Oh noes! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Neverland Posts: 766	I miss the 90s Looks good in the screenshot box... image hosting png

17 November 2011, 18:41	#20
jeff b00toNic Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Arnsberg Germany Age: 45 Posts: 192	Depends on which game it is. For me the best coinup conversion is PANG! and good ones are Silkworm, Rodland, Dragon Ninja and Double Dragon 3. Forgot to mention Final Fight which I played first on Arcade and later on Amiga. I kinda liked the conversion because I was proud of my Amiga heaving such a great Arcade game. Even if it wasn't perfect except some graphics and the walk animation of the characters. Last edited by jeff b00toNic; 20 November 2011 at 13:18.

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08 November 2011, 20:58	#2
Coagulus Gets there in the end... Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Wales Posts: 862	depends what game, Rodland would be the Miggy version for me. And anyway, what's wrong with nostalgia AND perfection. I play the Arcade, Amiga and Megadrive versions of Golden Axe, and even others such as the Speccy version!

08 November 2011, 22:01	#5
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Arcade game conversions weren't the best bunch in general for the 'miggy, so MAME most the time. As a kid, I so wanted some of those Arcades in my bedroom and that kind of stays with me today. As mentioned above, there are a few exceptions - like Silkworm!

09 November 2011, 10:28	#6
deicidal Registered Insane Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ununited Kingdom Posts: 792	As a rule I prefer to play the original which of course is the arcade version but sometimes the Amiga version was better Midnight Resitance been one of them.

10 November 2011, 10:23	#7
LuMan Amigan - an' lovin' it!! Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Nottingham, UK Age: 55 Posts: 557	Interesting question, atchoo. For me, nostalgia does add to the overall gaming experience so, in some cases, I'll deliberately play a game on my Miggy (or other computer/console) even though the arcade version is better. California Games on the Lynx is a prime example of this. Oddly, I also prefer the Miggy version of R-Type to the arcade version.... Having said that, Hard Drivin' (for example) is better under MAME than any other 'home' version (in my opinion), so I'll generally only play that in MAME, except for those odd times when I want to smile at the Gameboy version But like you mentioned, for true realism you need a cab - particularly for Hard Drivin', S.T.U.N Runner and Return Of The Jedi

10 November 2011, 11:50	#8
P-J Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Moorpark, California Age: 44 Posts: 1,153	For me it tends to be whichever I played first, arcade or Amiga. Although it is nice to finally play the arcade version of games that I had on the Amiga and couldn't play at the arcades at the time. Or I didn't realise it was actually an arcade conversion, as in a lot of cases.

10 November 2011, 13:07	#9
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,518	For me part of the fun is to discover the differences. Since I really like MOD music, I can 'forgive' small shortcomings in an Amiga conversion if the music is great. As others have mentioned, you should try both (or even more versions) and decide for yourself (that's the nice bit about emulation ).

11 November 2011, 02:16	#10
stevsurv Beta 1.666 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: in 1985 Posts: 384	Some of the Amiga versions were better, like Silkworm had superior graphics and sound to Mame/Arcade versions. Was kinda disapointed with the mame version. Operation Wolf was better sound/music wise and was different in gameplay too. I remember playing a lot of the games on Arcade machines first then wanted and played them on the Amy. Still theres nostalgia for both systems!

11 November 2011, 04:43	#11
laffer Zone Friend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Norway Age: 43 Posts: 1,335	MAME most of the time, except with brilliant ports such as Pang! and Silkworm.

11 November 2011, 14:49	#12
Bamiga2002 BlizzardPPC'less Join Date: May 2004 Location: Finland Age: 46 Posts: 3,210	Maybe offtopic but I'd really like to see Legend Of Hero Tonma conversion made on Natami!

11 November 2011, 15:49	#13
spiff Oh noes! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Neverland Posts: 766	Echoes what I said in the perfect arcade conversion thread: Always mame. (Almost) All of the conversions are worse, 25fps vs 60, and they load slower, miss 2p support etc. Apart from the music of silkwom, how is it better on the amiga? Less playfield, less colours, slower updates I do prefer to listen so some amiga mod versions of the arcade (Chase HQ). Amiga is flashback, gods, lemmings, Civ or IK+ for me.. the "main platform games"

11 November 2011, 15:52	#14
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	no word about Rolling Thunder?

11 November 2011, 18:01	#18
Peter Still an Amiga user Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kent Age: 55 Posts: 2,715	Crack Down was good on three systems imho... good on arcade/mame - mega drive and Amiga... really tough game though!

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