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Old 24 January 2019, 02:46   #41
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Even now between my family fleet i've a FIAT (12 years old and 120000KM), never in repair shop
Yes, I had a Fiat 127 and a Fiat Uno, scrapped after so many years and never taken to the repair shop
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Old 24 January 2019, 04:01   #42
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I bought my second Fiat, a used 128 Coupé, for 2000 DM (German Marks) in 1986, and after only 2 months it crashed in the city just after starting on getting green light at a crossing. The left front wheel was blocking in a 45 degree angle in the wheel house because the transverse control arms broke away of the frames! The day before I was still driving with that car on the Autobahn (auto strada, freeway) with more than 140 km/h and didn't expect anything like an accident. With the help of somebody else I could only push the wreck onto the next parking lot and then sold it as scrap for 500 DM.

I better should have bought some of these nice Fiat chocolates for 1500 DM, that would have been enough for the whole family for many years.

But back to the topic. In the 1990'th I once also lost even much more money when I bought 500 Commodore shares and then CBM suddenly went bankrupt. I just feel mocked when I read that Commodore is Italian now.
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Old 24 January 2019, 11:32   #43
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Just to be clear. I absolutely don't defend FIAT, probably no-one even in Italy .
They made some really disastrous models, but among the many there are also absolute goodies.
And in Italy we know what to avoid.

There are other brands that I would have used as an example: Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Lancia, Alfa Romeo, ..
I owned (well, my family) Maserati, Lancia and Alfa and are from another planet
Better than French or German brands (however, here too it is relative to the model).
[notice that I have not even mentioned the British ]

Anyway this "national" branding do not make sense anymore.
The most famous German (and not only) automotive engines and bodys drawings are (partly-)designed in Italy.

I remind you that Italian mechanics and design are probably the best in the world.

PS: Majani (FIAT but not only) chocolates are FANTASTIC!
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I bought my second Fiat, a used 128 Coupé, for 2000 DM (German Marks) in 1986, and after only 2 months it crashed in the city just after starting on getting green light at a crossing.
This is a problem of used machines (surprise egg), I have always bought new Fiat cars that have never seen a mechanic
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I have two of Italy's finest products, my Beretta PX4 and my Beltrame auto stiletto knife.

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Old 24 January 2019, 18:18   #48
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During my National service, I used a Beretta 92 (Parabellum), the assault rifle Beretta SC/70, and a submachine gun Beretta P12/s.

I participated in NATO exercises during the (1st) Gulf War.
So I know well how how valid are the Beretta lines.

But we are more and more OT
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I'd love to have a 92.
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This is a problem of used machines (surprise egg), I have always bought new Fiat cars that have never seen a mechanic
Yes, I was the 5. or 6. owner, but it seemed to be a nice and affordable car for me, something like a poor man's sports car, and I was happy to get it. At that time I made an education in IT at Nixdorf Computer, another company that went bankrupt, even before Commodore disappeared from the market. Btw, between 90 and 92 I worked as a service technician installing Unix servers and many Olivetti-PCs. I think they were a better example for good Italian technology.
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In the early 70s, the Fiat 128 was the car of my dreams, the Fiat 128 and the 128 Moretti Coupé were nice cars at a popular price, even the 850 Coupé was pretty and cheap, different for other Italian cars like Ferrari , Lamborghini, Maserati, Lancia, Alfa Romeo that cost an eye of the forehead (so it is in Italy).
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I actually like italian design a lot..

This is my car (i only drive Alfa Romeo cars), and lots of the stuff in my household is italian design.



Nevertheless, all I see here at the moment is a Commodore branded chinese Android smartphone.

Which, forgive me, doesn't really set the world on fire.

I remember Paolo from my AROS-Exec days, but like he stated on some other (italian) forum on the net, these products won't have AROS as an OS in them, since it would take a few million euros to get it en par with the functionality of Android (his words, not mine).

Would be nice, if there were some products in the future that are really worth of the name Commodore, but up to then I heavily doubt it.

There were many people over the last fifteen years producing cheap or not so cheap stuff with the name Commodore slapped on it.







The thing is, since nobody seemed to have any idea to properly continuate the Commodore legacy, which was a billion dollar company once, how do you think a few guys from Italy with no real financial backing will do?
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Old 26 January 2019, 13:20   #53
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http://www.ansa.it/canale_motori/not...40bc6f6a3.html

Fiat 500: sales record in Europe in 2018
Enrolled 194 thousand units, share 15%, second best ever
Sales leader in 11 European countries and on the podium in four others.
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I have two of Italy's finest products, my Beretta PX4 and my Beltrame auto stiletto knife.
Good one...

Sadly, many Americans don't even know where Italy is.

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As for FIAT, long time ago I had Fiat 650 - at the time I had it it was already 20-30 years old. That was interesting... Did not need shop cran or anything to replace gear box - it was small.
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Good one...

Sadly, many Americans don't even know where Italy is.
Probably at school they never studied history and they have little culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Americans

Fiat 650? it was not a car but a 60s truck

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Rome, Florence, Naples know them all, Italian and Neapolitan songs dominated in the years "50, '60, many famous American singers are from Italian Origins: Frank Synatra, Dean Martin, Madonna, Frankie Avalon, Perry Como, Bobby Darin, Liza Minnelli, Frank Zappa, Bill Conti, Henry Mancini, Connie Francis, Frankie Lane, Michael Bublé, Bruce Springsteen, Jerry Vale, Joe Satrianì, and many others, then there would be other famous people, such as actors, politicians, artists, scientists

These are some artists of Italian origins famous in America:

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Bruce Springsteen? I would've never guessed.
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Bruce Springsteen? I would've never guessed.
Many do not know but there are so many Italians in the world, the same America was discovered by Cristoforo Colombo and Americo Vespucci, many Italian inventions, among them I list some: The Telephone, the Radio, petrol engine, electric battery, the microchip, the laptop, the Mp3, the SIM card , the Piano, the Helicopter, the Vespa, the Blue Jeans, the Spring Clock and many other beautiful things.
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Fiat 650? it was not a car but a 60s truck
My bad, it is 750, and it is license from Fiat, not fiat exactly, even we call it Fiat and Ficho.

Zastava 750







My father had couple of these...



And he totaled this one, making it last Fiat licensed car we ever had



Car without frame... that was interesting...
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