Want to start ray-tracing

watertonian · 12 January 2011, 21:09

Hello all. Not sure if this is the right area for such a post (won't take it personally if a mod bumps it somewhere else :-D ), but I've been doing all kinds of Star-Trek themed wallpapers form my setup. After gettng my Virge carde to work in 1280x768, I had to redo all my 1024x768 wallpapers anyway. To do this, I usually do a google image search for an oversized pic I like, crop & scale, and overlay the LCARS and UFP logos over it.
(eg..

)
However, theres some more specific scenes I'd like to do, and getting ahold of various sci-fi or Star-Trek 3D-models isn't that difficult a task (I have a directory with 'em already, ranging from Lightwave to Pov-Ray objects).
Anyway, I'm not having much luck getting going on this. I have Raystorm, Pov-Ray, and a few others installed. Raystorm keeps giving me the 80000008, and requires registration (which I would do if I knew how to get ahold of the guy, and if I could get it to work), and Pov-Ray requires alot of scripting. Polywog seems to be able to do pov-ray scenes, but won't import pov-ray objects. Anyway, are there any suggestions for the best S/W for a '060 based miggy? Thanks for any help. (Sorry if I'm a bit sparse on details, gotta catch a bus :-) ).

Leffmann · 13 January 2011, 01:11

Lightwave, Imagine and Real 3D were the most popular programs on the Amiga. There was also a program called Tornado 3D which seemed very good, but was a bit of a latecomer and never got as much attention, and a cracked and fully working version of it seems hard to get hold of today.

source · 13 January 2011, 01:22

Light wave is in the zone I believe. Tornado I don't think was a raytracer as a rendering engine. It also was ppc only I believe. A buddy of mine had it back a number of years ago. I found lightwave to be the easiest to use as well you could design your scene on the Amiga then do the raytacing ona pc for faster work.

Leffmann · 13 January 2011, 01:53

Tornado does run on 680x0, I did try it a bit on my 68060 back in the 90's. If anyone manages to find a working version of it somewhere, please let me know.

source · 13 January 2011, 05:40

I am not able to test it but there is a version on EAB file server in the folder 'App/Archive/Tornado3D'

Post here if it works. I have to piece together my amigas which I won't have running for atleast a few weeks. If it works with a 060 I wouldn't mind giving it a try.

johnim · 13 January 2011, 08:17

i liked cinema 4d

source · 13 January 2011, 15:00

I have alladin but never tried it out. The friend who had Tornado gave me his alladin when the got Tornado.

watertonian · 14 January 2011, 20:00

OK, I found an old install of Lightwave, that I apparently deleted because I couldn't configure it. (Backed up HDD to CD-Rom, when I only had a 1.2GB drive) Had a bit of luck rendering a ham8 preview, but would rather use it on RTG. Anyone know how to force it to Picasso96 screenmodes? I've gotten modeller.fp to work, but the lightwave program itself isists on hires-lace, and would rather not use NewMode to promote it. Also, the Ham-8 thing is annoying, any way of fixing that?

gilgamesh · 14 January 2011, 20:11

Still raytracing on an Amiga? Serious?

I really liked Reflections (aka. Monzoom 3D) on the Amiga. It has a good interface, but I doubt very much that it can import POV.

cosmiq · 15 January 2011, 10:32

If you're looking for a nice free one
then you should really have a look at Blender3D - It doesn't have the best interface, but you can do practically anything with it (incl. YafRay)

www.blender3d.org

andy · 16 January 2011, 12:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by gilgamesh

Still raytracing on an Amiga? Serious?

That can reasonably fit into "Because I can"! That's cool, isn't it? It's an attitude that has certainly brought plenty of fabulous results around here and is another little part of what keeps 'Amiga' going.

I obviously know what you mean, though!

Quote:

No we can't play Lemmings just yet. I'm, er, "rendering".

What does that mean? Well... er, the computer's busy.

Important stuff!

Days pass...

Quote:

Not long now.

Just a little further...

Quote:

Look, I made a cow!

Photon · 16 January 2011, 17:37

POV-Ray is just a renderer (of course you know this already but), and depending on the version can be pretty good. I used Real3D, which was decent for simple things, easy to use and stable. I think back in the day (early to mid 90s), Lightwave was the one that got the most professional use.

I think if you want something more modern you need to go to SourceForge and simply see which 3D editors and renderers have 68k ports, and puzzle a good solution together yourself.

The only other alternative is to get all the old known native Amiga ones and try which versions you like and which don't guru. All should be able to export f.ex. TGA and you can go from there to whatever picture format you like, even if the old ones don't support viewing in the resolutions you'd like.

khph_re · 17 January 2011, 14:28

I'd use lightwave or Cinema 4D. Lightwave always had a a great renderer, and I think foundation imaging actualy used it on voyager/Deepspace nine, so you'd be in good company

These programs are very profesional, and whatever you learn can be used on newer versions on other platforms. You can do this with imagine as well, as that was also available on the PC-but no longer in production.

for those that remember old Amiga stalwart Tobias Richter, he's still doing star trek renders: http://www.thelightworks.com/
(under works: illustration)

watertonian · 17 January 2011, 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by khph_re

I'd use lightwave or Cinema 4D. Lightwave always had a a great renderer, and I think foundation imaging actualy used it on voyager/Deepspace nine, so you'd be in good company

I was thinking B5 used Lightwave, while Star Trek typically relied on physical models (which sold for a ton of cash at some auction in N.Y.)? Could be wrong, though. Anyway, looks like I'm snowed in for the day, plenty of time to see how many ways I can crash the Amiga again.I've actually warmed up to Lightwave quite a bit. Now if I can get it to work without flipping between S-Video and VGA. I use my remote control for my Amiga more than I do for TV. lol

gilgamesh · 17 January 2011, 20:41

Star Trek had both. Babylon was made on Amigas, as well as SeaQuest.

EDIT: Found evidence program is crap. It was used in Titanic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LightWa...sing_Lightwave

watertonian · 17 January 2011, 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by gilgamesh

Star Trek had both. Babylon was made on Amigas, as well as SeaQuest.

EDIT: Found evidence program is crap. It was used in Titanic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LightWa...sing_Lightwave

Ah, ok. If I remember, B5 switched to a different platform after the pilot episode (But still used LightWave), though. Forgot about SeaQuest, though. Wasn't too fun to watch with a family of nitpickers who have all been in the Navy, and one of us was stationed on a sub. lol.
Anyway, just tried Lightwave again not too long ago, got the 800000008 (or B, this flatscreen hates red on NTSC...) when I hit render. Though it only did that when I used a CGX render plugin. (Picasso96 here, thing the CGX emulation doesn't like it for some reason). I'll have to do some more digging.

watertonian · 17 January 2011, 22:20

SUCCESS!

Finally just got over the whole RTG thing, and told NewMode to ignore Lightwave. Looks like LW requires a HAM capable screenmode for the preview, which confuses the SVGA (Virge) card I have in here to no end.
Anyway, it saves 24-bit IFF files, which are easy enough to Jpeg or PNG. Though for wallpapers, IFF is preferable (Quicker for the 060 to decode). It would be nice to keep the control screen as a VIRGE screen, but for now I just set NewMode to ask what to do when the screen opens. I can use the monsterous 1280x768 resolution to do modelling, and just have newmode ignore Lightwave when I want to do a render.

gilgamesh · 17 January 2011, 22:26

Nice

watertonian · 18 January 2011, 00:39

OK. Just for the record, I am officially having way too much fun!

watertonian · 18 January 2011, 07:35

This one took almost 2 hours.....

12 January 2011, 21:09	#1
watertonian 2 1200s in Wisconsin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Wisconsin, USA Age: 46 Posts: 115	Want to start ray-tracing Hello all. Not sure if this is the right area for such a post (won't take it personally if a mod bumps it somewhere else :-D ), but I've been doing all kinds of Star-Trek themed wallpapers form my setup. After gettng my Virge carde to work in 1280x768, I had to redo all my 1024x768 wallpapers anyway. To do this, I usually do a google image search for an oversized pic I like, crop & scale, and overlay the LCARS and UFP logos over it. (eg.. ) However, theres some more specific scenes I'd like to do, and getting ahold of various sci-fi or Star-Trek 3D-models isn't that difficult a task (I have a directory with 'em already, ranging from Lightwave to Pov-Ray objects). Anyway, I'm not having much luck getting going on this. I have Raystorm, Pov-Ray, and a few others installed. Raystorm keeps giving me the 80000008, and requires registration (which I would do if I knew how to get ahold of the guy, and if I could get it to work), and Pov-Ray requires alot of scripting. Polywog seems to be able to do pov-ray scenes, but won't import pov-ray objects. Anyway, are there any suggestions for the best S/W for a '060 based miggy? Thanks for any help. (Sorry if I'm a bit sparse on details, gotta catch a bus :-) ).

13 January 2011, 05:40	#5
source Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 734	I am not able to test it but there is a version on EAB file server in the folder 'App/Archive/Tornado3D' Post here if it works. I have to piece together my amigas which I won't have running for atleast a few weeks. If it works with a 060 I wouldn't mind giving it a try. Last edited by TCD; 13 January 2011 at 07:30. Reason: No direct links to the file server

18 January 2011, 00:39	#19
watertonian 2 1200s in Wisconsin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Wisconsin, USA Age: 46 Posts: 115	OK. Just for the record, I am officially having way too much fun! Last edited by watertonian; 18 January 2011 at 07:26.

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13 January 2011, 01:11	#2
Leffmann Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,269	Lightwave, Imagine and Real 3D were the most popular programs on the Amiga. There was also a program called Tornado 3D which seemed very good, but was a bit of a latecomer and never got as much attention, and a cracked and fully working version of it seems hard to get hold of today.

13 January 2011, 01:22	#3
source Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 734	Light wave is in the zone I believe. Tornado I don't think was a raytracer as a rendering engine. It also was ppc only I believe. A buddy of mine had it back a number of years ago. I found lightwave to be the easiest to use as well you could design your scene on the Amiga then do the raytacing ona pc for faster work.

13 January 2011, 01:53	#4
Leffmann Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,269	Tornado does run on 680x0, I did try it a bit on my 68060 back in the 90's. If anyone manages to find a working version of it somewhere, please let me know.

13 January 2011, 08:17	#6
johnim Amibay Mod/Staff Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: birmingham uk Age: 48 Posts: 1,019	i liked cinema 4d

13 January 2011, 15:00	#7
source Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 734	I have alladin but never tried it out. The friend who had Tornado gave me his alladin when the got Tornado.

14 January 2011, 20:00	#8
watertonian 2 1200s in Wisconsin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Wisconsin, USA Age: 46 Posts: 115	OK, I found an old install of Lightwave, that I apparently deleted because I couldn't configure it. (Backed up HDD to CD-Rom, when I only had a 1.2GB drive) Had a bit of luck rendering a ham8 preview, but would rather use it on RTG. Anyone know how to force it to Picasso96 screenmodes? I've gotten modeller.fp to work, but the lightwave program itself isists on hires-lace, and would rather not use NewMode to promote it. Also, the Ham-8 thing is annoying, any way of fixing that?

14 January 2011, 20:11	#9
gilgamesh Linux snob Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Monkey Island Posts: 997	Still raytracing on an Amiga? Serious? I really liked Reflections (aka. Monzoom 3D) on the Amiga. It has a good interface, but I doubt very much that it can import POV.

15 January 2011, 10:32	#10
cosmiq Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Holland Age: 41 Posts: 314	If you're looking for a nice free one then you should really have a look at Blender3D - It doesn't have the best interface, but you can do practically anything with it (incl. YafRay) www.blender3d.org

16 January 2011, 17:37	#12
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	POV-Ray is just a renderer (of course you know this already but), and depending on the version can be pretty good. I used Real3D, which was decent for simple things, easy to use and stable. I think back in the day (early to mid 90s), Lightwave was the one that got the most professional use. I think if you want something more modern you need to go to SourceForge and simply see which 3D editors and renderers have 68k ports, and puzzle a good solution together yourself. The only other alternative is to get all the old known native Amiga ones and try which versions you like and which don't guru. All should be able to export f.ex. TGA and you can go from there to whatever picture format you like, even if the old ones don't support viewing in the resolutions you'd like.

17 January 2011, 14:28	#13
khph_re Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Northampton/UK Posts: 524	I'd use lightwave or Cinema 4D. Lightwave always had a a great renderer, and I think foundation imaging actualy used it on voyager/Deepspace nine, so you'd be in good company These programs are very profesional, and whatever you learn can be used on newer versions on other platforms. You can do this with imagine as well, as that was also available on the PC-but no longer in production. for those that remember old Amiga stalwart Tobias Richter, he's still doing star trek renders: http://www.thelightworks.com/ (under works: illustration)

17 January 2011, 20:41	#15
gilgamesh Linux snob Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Monkey Island Posts: 997	Star Trek had both. Babylon was made on Amigas, as well as SeaQuest. EDIT: Found evidence program is crap. It was used in Titanic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LightWa...sing_Lightwave

17 January 2011, 22:20	#17
watertonian 2 1200s in Wisconsin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Wisconsin, USA Age: 46 Posts: 115	SUCCESS! Finally just got over the whole RTG thing, and told NewMode to ignore Lightwave. Looks like LW requires a HAM capable screenmode for the preview, which confuses the SVGA (Virge) card I have in here to no end. Anyway, it saves 24-bit IFF files, which are easy enough to Jpeg or PNG. Though for wallpapers, IFF is preferable (Quicker for the 060 to decode). It would be nice to keep the control screen as a VIRGE screen, but for now I just set NewMode to ask what to do when the screen opens. I can use the monsterous 1280x768 resolution to do modelling, and just have newmode ignore Lightwave when I want to do a render.

17 January 2011, 22:26	#18
gilgamesh Linux snob Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Monkey Island Posts: 997	Nice

18 January 2011, 07:35	#20
watertonian 2 1200s in Wisconsin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Wisconsin, USA Age: 46 Posts: 115	This one took almost 2 hours.....

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