The AMIGA was crap because.... - Page 2

Antiriad · 20 August 2002, 22:07

It would make for an amusing option on WinUAE.. i do find it highly amusing when the Atari ST emulator Saint makes disk access noises

th4t1guy · 20 August 2002, 23:29

The main things I didn't like about the Amiga (mainly the 4000) were

slow floppy controller and nonstandard floppy drives
can't use a PC keyboard without buying an adapter that cost 3 times as much as the keyboard (same with mouse)
cd audio input was way too quiet
hardware was always too expensive (and still is! $600 for a mediator card and a case is robbery)
can't use a regular PC monitor without a scandoubler, and there was never RCA video out built in
leaking batteries!

that's about it though...

Puzzle · 20 August 2002, 23:51

My main gripes about the A1200:

Too little RAM and too slow CPU as standard
You couldn't fit 3.5" IDE-harddrives without invalidating your warranty
No 16-bit sound as standard
Expansions were way too expensive (and they still are)

I think Commodore should have put a decent 030 in the A1200 as standard. And 4MB's of RAM.

A chunky-pixel screenmode, or something like the Akiko-chip could also be handy.

So, I feel that the A1200 didn't offer that much more from the A500 .. sure, it's faster and it has more colours. But the A500 ran more games and programs.

Of course, the A1200 is better than an A500 for serious work. But the A3000 and A4000 is even better than the A1200.

21 August 2002, 02:51

I think my only three gripes about real Amigas are:
1: Hard drive invalidations. I had three in four days when I first got the HDD installed. Later found out that the MaxBuffers was set absurdly low. Never went to that company for anything ever again!

2: A stock Amiga could do with more FastRAM. Somewhere around 4MB would do nicely.

3: The Scandoubler Saga.

Amiga1992 · 21 August 2002, 04:49

Quote:

Originally posted by th4t1guy
and there was never RCA video out built in

I didn't know the A400 lacked Composite video output! How cack!

I agree with Puzzle, the Akiko chip would have been terrific in the A1200... Why did they leave it out!

th4t1guy · 21 August 2002, 05:13

The A4000 only had RGB Video, which also needed an adapter for most multisync monitors.

Amiga1992 · 21 August 2002, 07:02

But that adaptor was bundled WITH the machine, like in the 1200...

At least mine came bundled with the 1200.

fiath · 21 August 2002, 10:38

I can't believe nobody mentioned this but:

Making 1-button joysticks standard! Especially when the pinouts need for another button are all there!

Grrr...

Many an arcade conversion that just wasn't the same...

Kodoichi · 21 August 2002, 11:39

A2000:
- The weight and size of the desktop case
- The yellowish colour it gets after 10 years =|
- That useless 2088 (or whatever) bridgeboard
- The old parallel/serial cables I had to screw into the port using a screwdriver

A1200:
- The fact that you can't close the back if you got a Blizzard turbocard with 8MB RAM
- The back that gets damn hot when having a Blizzard turbocard built in
- The wobbly keyboard
- The mouse that was broken one week right after I bought the 1200 because I played that Minesweeper clone too much

1084 Monitor:
- The fact it's not stereo
- The flap (spelling?) that breaks after one day (is there anybody who still got an 1084 with an intact flap?)

RetroMan · 21 August 2002, 11:46

Quote:

Originally posted by Kodoichi
A2000:
- The yellowish colour it gets after 10 years =|

The A2000 was allready delivered with that yellowish color

Paul · 21 August 2002, 12:09

Quote:

Originally posted by Kodoichi
(is there anybody who still got an 1084 with an intact flap?)

Mines super glued back together but will likely brake again on my 1084S Monitor (I wonder what the S stands for. It must mean stereo then)

Paul · 21 August 2002, 12:20

Things I hated with my A600.

The 20MB internal HD - Wish it came with a bigger one.

Wish it game with 2MB built in without having to use the 1MB Expansion which worked loose.

Gets too hot.

Other Things I hated

When they cut down the power packs to save cost.

The flap on my 1084S

KombatSanta · 21 August 2002, 12:51

Well, well... first the "atari thread" and now the "amiga is crap" thread:suspiciou

The conspiracy against EAB is getting clearer all the time

Big-Byte · 21 August 2002, 13:01

The flat on my 1084(S)tereo monitor is still intact!

Puzzle · 21 August 2002, 15:20

Quote:

Originally posted by Kodoichi
A1200:
- The fact that you can't close the back if you got a Blizzard turbocard with 8MB RAM

You can.. at least I can, with my Blizzard 1230-III.

But:

Quote:

- The back that gets damn hot when having a Blizzard turbocard built in

Yeah. And this prevents you from using that lid anyway...

Quote:

- The wobbly keyboard

And the lousy keyboard-adapters for PC-keyboards.

blackcornflake · 21 August 2002, 16:28

My lil A1200 has no heat problems, as it is in a tower case.

Engage Bloodwych Preacher Mode!

There follow some words of advocacy about tower cases, as most folks seem not to dig them.

Good: Loads of room for expansion. No external nuthin, (except the keyboard, of course). Which you can change. Internalised power supply with enough beef for all these expansions. Room for chips to breathe, and room to fit fans if required. Big flat top for putting pads, CDs, mugs, beer on.

Bad: big and heavy.

Yes, I still think of it as an Amiga. Anyway, I still have my A1200 case in perfect condition, if I ever decide to reconstruct it.

Amiga1992 · 21 August 2002, 19:27

Quote:

Originally posted by Kodoichi
- The flap (spelling?) that breaks after one day (is there anybody who still got an 1084 with an intact flap?)

Mine broke after many years of being intact... but they use to break up

About heat problems, they're a bitch. I keep my A1200 refrigerated with a nice fan.

Galahad/FLT · 21 August 2002, 20:14

1). Blitter speed was not increased on AGA Amiga's to cope with more graphics to throw around.

2). The soundchip, although still sounding nice, not getting 16bit and not increasing the sound channels was dumb!

3). The fact that Commodore developed the DSP for the A12oo and the A12oo had room on the board for it, but they never released it..... (would have solved the soundchip problem!)... shit, even the Falcon got a DSP!

4). Sprites were not increased other than in size.

5). The fact that if you select 'cancel' in a disk requester when it comes across a file it cant read/write, it then proceeds to fail on every block in the file.... why not fail on the block it couldn't read already?

6). 14Mhz processor..... bhahahaha

7). Blitter was still 8bit chip!

8). AAA........... need I say more?

Well thats what made it 'crap', but other than that, the machine was still cool... pity idiots like Commodore couldn't continue the what the original Amiga team had designed so well!

Marcuz · 21 August 2002, 22:02

Yes the mouses were dead as soon as the real ones after a meal of rat poison.
Yes when my parents THROW AWAY my a 500 + monitor (actually they gived it to my little cousins) i had to plug a tv modulator in the 1200.
Yes the joystick weren't perfect: the TAC2 was lacking of autofire, that superheavy transparent thing (don't rem the name) was'nt openable with his 8 broken screws; but you can say that of the moderns joystick too.
BUT i'm surprised that nobody have lamented what i tought it was a real pain in the ass: the compatibility issue that affected the generations between A500 and A1200: i never managed to make work my Lotus Turbo Challenge on the A1200, as much as i've setted the preboot screen, tools like degrader and the old external drive bought for the A500 that still i don't know why and how was different from the A1200 new internal one!
AND THE ELECTRIC POWER FEEDER (checked on the dictionary... what's the name?) i've burned 3 of them in a couple of years! one just after a week of use! (there was a thunderstorm outside and my little bro inside...)
I still have the one for the A1200 that plays stranges cracking noises like sparkes when i turn it on!

Yeah, crap!
BESIDE THAT the Amiga was GREAT, as my teen-age main occupation and as a computer...
my token

Antiriad · 21 August 2002, 22:05

Two questions gentlemen...
What exactly did the Akiko chip do? And was it any good - something which should have been on the A1200?

Anybody know of ANYTHING which can restore plastic from being yellowish? I mean the plastic below is surely stil white? Just that my A500 has a slight unwanted tan about it...

20 August 2002, 23:51	#23
Puzzle Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 99	What I hated about the A1200 My main gripes about the A1200: Too little RAM and too slow CPU as standard You couldn't fit 3.5" IDE-harddrives without invalidating your warranty No 16-bit sound as standard Expansions were way too expensive (and they still are) I think Commodore should have put a decent 030 in the A1200 as standard. And 4MB's of RAM. A chunky-pixel screenmode, or something like the Akiko-chip could also be handy. So, I feel that the A1200 didn't offer that much more from the A500 .. sure, it's faster and it has more colours. But the A500 ran more games and programs. Of course, the A1200 is better than an A500 for serious work. But the A3000 and A4000 is even better than the A1200.

21 August 2002, 20:14	#38
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 9,004	The Amiga was crap because.... 1). Blitter speed was not increased on AGA Amiga's to cope with more graphics to throw around. 2). The soundchip, although still sounding nice, not getting 16bit and not increasing the sound channels was dumb! 3). The fact that Commodore developed the DSP for the A12oo and the A12oo had room on the board for it, but they never released it..... (would have solved the soundchip problem!)... shit, even the Falcon got a DSP! 4). Sprites were not increased other than in size. 5). The fact that if you select 'cancel' in a disk requester when it comes across a file it cant read/write, it then proceeds to fail on every block in the file.... why not fail on the block it couldn't read already? 6). 14Mhz processor..... bhahahaha 7). Blitter was still 8bit chip! 8). AAA........... need I say more? Well thats what made it 'crap', but other than that, the machine was still cool... pity idiots like Commodore couldn't continue the what the original Amiga team had designed so well!

21 August 2002, 22:02	#39
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	Yes the mouses were dead as soon as the real ones after a meal of rat poison. Yes when my parents THROW AWAY my a 500 + monitor (actually they gived it to my little cousins) i had to plug a tv modulator in the 1200. Yes the joystick weren't perfect: the TAC2 was lacking of autofire, that superheavy transparent thing (don't rem the name) was'nt openable with his 8 broken screws; but you can say that of the moderns joystick too. BUT i'm surprised that nobody have lamented what i tought it was a real pain in the ass: the compatibility issue that affected the generations between A500 and A1200: i never managed to make work my Lotus Turbo Challenge on the A1200, as much as i've setted the preboot screen, tools like degrader and the old external drive bought for the A500 that still i don't know why and how was different from the A1200 new internal one! AND THE ELECTRIC POWER FEEDER (checked on the dictionary... what's the name?) i've burned 3 of them in a couple of years! one just after a week of use! (there was a thunderstorm outside and my little bro inside...) I still have the one for the A1200 that plays stranges cracking noises like sparkes when i turn it on! Yeah, crap! BESIDE THAT the Amiga was GREAT, as my teen-age main occupation and as a computer... my token Last edited by Marcuz; 21 August 2002 at 22:08.

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20 August 2002, 22:07	#21
Antiriad The Sacred Armour Of Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sussex, UK Age: 45 Posts: 1,141	It would make for an amusing option on WinUAE.. i do find it highly amusing when the Atari ST emulator Saint makes disk access noises

20 August 2002, 23:29	#22
th4t1guy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO, USA Posts: 683	The main things I didn't like about the Amiga (mainly the 4000) were slow floppy controller and nonstandard floppy drives can't use a PC keyboard without buying an adapter that cost 3 times as much as the keyboard (same with mouse) cd audio input was way too quiet hardware was always too expensive (and still is! $600 for a mediator card and a case is robbery) can't use a regular PC monitor without a scandoubler, and there was never RCA video out built in leaking batteries! that's about it though...

21 August 2002, 02:51	#24
AdamSelene Posts: n/a	I think my only three gripes about real Amigas are: 1: Hard drive invalidations. I had three in four days when I first got the HDD installed. Later found out that the MaxBuffers was set absurdly low. Never went to that company for anything ever again! 2: A stock Amiga could do with more FastRAM. Somewhere around 4MB would do nicely. 3: The Scandoubler Saga.

21 August 2002, 05:13	#26
th4t1guy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO, USA Posts: 683	The A4000 only had RGB Video, which also needed an adapter for most multisync monitors.

21 August 2002, 07:02	#27
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	But that adaptor was bundled WITH the machine, like in the 1200... At least mine came bundled with the 1200.

21 August 2002, 10:38	#28
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	I can't believe nobody mentioned this but: Making 1-button joysticks standard! Especially when the pinouts need for another button are all there! Grrr... Many an arcade conversion that just wasn't the same...

21 August 2002, 11:39	#29
Kodoichi Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: I'm the smiling face on your TV, I exploit you still you love me Posts: 515	A2000: - The weight and size of the desktop case - The yellowish colour it gets after 10 years =\| - That useless 2088 (or whatever) bridgeboard - The old parallel/serial cables I had to screw into the port using a screwdriver A1200: - The fact that you can't close the back if you got a Blizzard turbocard with 8MB RAM - The back that gets damn hot when having a Blizzard turbocard built in - The wobbly keyboard - The mouse that was broken one week right after I bought the 1200 because I played that Minesweeper clone too much 1084 Monitor: - The fact it's not stereo - The flap (spelling?) that breaks after one day (is there anybody who still got an 1084 with an intact flap?)

21 August 2002, 12:20	#32
Paul RIP Friends Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 2,157	Things I hated with my A600. The 20MB internal HD - Wish it came with a bigger one. Wish it game with 2MB built in without having to use the 1MB Expansion which worked loose. Gets too hot. Other Things I hated When they cut down the power packs to save cost. The flap on my 1084S

21 August 2002, 12:51	#33
KombatSanta Pipboy approved Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Karlstad, Sweden Age: 48 Posts: 460	Well, well... first the "atari thread" and now the "amiga is crap" thread:suspiciou The conspiracy against EAB is getting clearer all the time

21 August 2002, 13:01	#34
Big-Byte Long time member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: UK Posts: 754	The flat on my 1084(S)tereo monitor is still intact!

21 August 2002, 16:28	#36
blackcornflake Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cereal box Posts: 794	My lil A1200 has no heat problems, as it is in a tower case. Engage Bloodwych Preacher Mode! There follow some words of advocacy about tower cases, as most folks seem not to dig them. Good: Loads of room for expansion. No external nuthin, (except the keyboard, of course). Which you can change. Internalised power supply with enough beef for all these expansions. Room for chips to breathe, and room to fit fans if required. Big flat top for putting pads, CDs, mugs, beer on. Bad: big and heavy. Yes, I still think of it as an Amiga. Anyway, I still have my A1200 case in perfect condition, if I ever decide to reconstruct it.

21 August 2002, 22:05	#40
Antiriad The Sacred Armour Of Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sussex, UK Age: 45 Posts: 1,141	Two questions gentlemen... What exactly did the Akiko chip do? And was it any good - something which should have been on the A1200? Anybody know of ANYTHING which can restore plastic from being yellowish? I mean the plastic below is surely stil white? Just that my A500 has a slight unwanted tan about it...

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