Welcome to the story of the Commodore Amiga by Nostalgia Nerd

[Neil79]

This episode deals with the "up" part of the story, and takes place during the 1980s. It charts the conception of the Lorraine machine (that would become the first Commodore Amiga), the early years and team spent working on the machine, the buyout of Atari followed by Commodore, the launch of the original Commodore Amiga machine (later renamed the Amiga 1000) and the subsequent Amiga 2000 and Amiga 500 machines which conclude before 1989 is out.

Part 1
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Write up
http://www.indieretronews.com/2016/1...-amiga-by.html

[Amiga1992]

How many of these do we need? :/

[saimon69]

Originally Posted by Akira

How many of these do we need? :/

Probably a lot, as long as mainstream history continue to neglect Amiga influente and make it disappear in the shadow :/

[-Acid-]

Originally Posted by Akira

How many of these do we need? :/

It's not like it's hurting anyone is it? keep them coming imo

[ViLXDRYAD]

I find good to keep people hooked with new things on the amiga scene, perhaps this series can bring new fans here and perhaps make a brand new new demo for the amiga

[Amiga1992]

Originally Posted by -Acid-

It's not like it's hurting anyone is it? keep them coming imo

Not necessarily, but already in the thread about Kim Justice's video, you can see there's a lot of "hate" regarding it and who knows which facts and which are wrong or right, etc.

It's just sad and it'd be great to have ONE definitive compendium of Amiga history where everyone is happy about the information presented within.

[TroyWilkins]

Originally Posted by Akira

Not necessarily, but already in the thread about Kim Justice's video, you can see there's a lot of "hate" regarding it and who knows which facts and which are wrong or right, etc.

It's just sad and it'd be great to have ONE definitive compendium of Amiga history where everyone is happy about the information presented within.

That's the aim of my web site, but getting accurate information is particularly difficult I've found. I enjoy this sort of video, but I wold love to know where he got some of the information from exactly.

[Amiga1992]

Yeah, when you don't mention the sources, you are possibly spreading misinformation. And the further away from "the horse's mouth" that you get your info from, the worse it gets.

[kovacm]

Originally Posted by Akira

Not necessarily, but already in the thread about Kim Justice's video, you can see there's a lot of "hate" regarding it and who knows which facts and which are wrong or right, etc.

It's just sad and it'd be great to have ONE definitive compendium of Amiga history where everyone is happy about the information presented within.

This one is almost perfect compilation of datas from different places (there is a list of all references on youtube link!). Far better than Kim Justice videos!

Small inaccuracy (or not said straight) is that Commodore FIRST sue Tramiel Technology (particular: Shiraz Shivji, Arthur S. Morga, John E. Hoenig...) and only after that Jack Tramiel contra sue Commodore (Jay Miner, Dave Morse...).

Here is newspaper from July 13, 1984. regarding Commodore lawsuit: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/184746117/


@TroyWilkins
what is your site?

[dreamkatcha]

I don't intend to weigh in on any of the Commodore history, just a general question to ponder: are the oldest sources necessarily the most accurate? It does help that they were written closer to the events, but they remain prone to the usual biases/mistakes so too have to be taken with a pinch of salt.

[TroyWilkins]

Originally Posted by kovacm

This one is almost perfect compilation of datas from different places (there is a list of all references on youtube link!). Far better than Kim Justice videos!

Ahh, so there is, I didn't see that when I first watched the video and commented on it on YouTube, thanks! I will be exploring those links soon.

Originally Posted by kovacm

@TroyWilkins
what is your site?

My site is far from complete and still has lots to add and some inaccuracies, but if you really want to have a look it's at http://theamigamuseum.com/

[kovacm]

Originally Posted by dreamkatcha

I don't intend to weigh in on any of the Commodore history, just a general question to ponder: are the oldest sources necessarily the most accurate? It does help that they were written closer to the events, but they remain prone to the usual biases/mistakes so too have to be taken with a pinch of salt.

There is no absolute truth.
Vilém Flusser, philosopher, have great talks on this topic [ Show youtube player ] what is history, how we see events...

But there are history events written in documents.

How human memory degrade over time is e.g. Jack Tramiels memories of that he gave name to his company by seeing Opel Commodore in Germany (which is impossible since Opel Commodore come to market decade after he already gave name "Commodore" to his company).
Other problem is that everybody have his own agenda e.g. R.J.Mical many times said that he will rather tell a good story than anything else.

@TroyWilkins
you should put link to your website in signature
very interesting stuff, and quite large! I will spent evening in reading

[Anakirob]

Originally Posted by kovacm

@TroyWilkins
you should put link to your website in signature
very interesting stuff, and quite large! I will spent evening in reading

I'm pretty sure putting a URL in your sig is against EAB's rules.

[TroyWilkins]

Originally Posted by kovacm

@TroyWilkins
you should put link to your website in signature
very interesting stuff, and quite large! I will spent evening in reading

Thank you, but there is a LOT more work to be done there, so it's far from ready, unfortunately it already shows on the 1st page of google search results for certain key words.

Originally Posted by Anakirob

I'm pretty sure putting a URL in your sig is against EAB's rules.

And this, I don't want to annoy anyone here. When I feel it's ready I'll start a topic about it in the appropriate place here so people can have a look.

[Neil79]

PART 2

But this time in part 2 Nostalgia Nerd is delving into the 90's, when the Amiga peaked, some of the great games and finally its regrettable demise. So sit back, turn it up and shed a tear at one of the best era's of gaming, the 90's!

http://www.indieretronews.com/2017/0...-amiga-by.html

[idrougge]

Nostalgia and Nerd are two of the ugliest words I know.

[Pat the Cat]

Originally Posted by Akira

It's just sad and it'd be great to have ONE definitive compendium of Amiga history where everyone is happy about the information presented within.

I don't think any single individual has the complete story, from 1983-current. Viva Amiga is good but it doesn't tell everything.

Originally Posted by Akira

Yeah, when you don't mention the sources, you are possibly spreading misinformation. And the further away from "the horse's mouth" that you get your info from, the worse it gets.

I do agree with you totally on identifying sources, times, documents, etc. Without that, "documentaries" are indeed possibly misinformation disguised as fact, and should be treated with caution, as the "facts" cannot be independently verified.

[TroyWilkins]

The 2nd part was fantastic, well worth watching.

Regarding accurate information, If anyone has good sources of accurate information that I can cite, it would be very much appreciated.

[Pat the Cat]

No such luck mate, as far as I'm concerned. I was kept very much out of the loop at the time. I think CBM UK were in much the same position - and they were part of the same organization.

Still, if I do come across anything in my travels, I'll let you know.

I'm finding Dave "Hazy" Haynie's releases very enlightening, and they're like 22 years old. Only released in the last 18 months or so though,

The truth always comes out, in the end. It's a question of "which" truth you want to believe.

[B14ck W01f]

Originally Posted by Akira

How many of these do we need? :/

The Amiga was a great machine, and people put up feature videos every month and brag about it to make sure we don't forget. Besides, if it wasn't for these "Amiga fanboys" we wouldn't be any PPC-based Amigas or new stuff from Individual Computers.