HOL v3 Launch - Page 4

Bren McGuire · 26 July 2023, 18:30

so you get all this work for free and all you say is that you hate it/complain?

bunch of smart folks that you are, then why don't you make a database and website that works on the old machines you so stubbornly continue to use as a web browser? like what is even the point of being able to use HOL on an Amiga with a jurassic browser, have you no other computer phone or whatever do you really live like a caveman

nujack · 26 July 2023, 22:43

@Bren McGuire: Yes there are people like me that use the website on classic systems or smartphones to visualize the content they have contributed. The new version has more disadvantages on such devices and that’s the reason why we asked to get the old version back.
Of course we would like to use HOL in future, but if there is no more actual content available it makes no sense to contribute further and look for alternatives instead. I don‘t understand why it was changed if there was no technical reason. For me the old version was perfect and easy to handle. That’s really sad …

mailman · 27 July 2023, 08:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodyJarrett

The database has been completely restructured to fit the Game->Version->Release model so that all the details appear on one game page. There was a migration process to convert the content to the new structure.

There were many other changes too including moving technical features (programming language etc.) out of Quickmatch into their own fields, creating readable URLs, splitting the DBSs and creating a new in-page editor for updates.

The old site was difficult to maintain as the database queries, code and presentation layer were mixed together.

So the OLD HOL is linked to the old database thus it will not be affected by any new entries or updates.

Gzegzolka · 27 July 2023, 09:49

I wonder could it be possible to update old Hol from time to time? For example once a year with basic informations like new games entries, screen shots, authors credits.
What would be perfect for me is old layout and look, but with new engine under skin.
I understood that old database was a mess hard to manage.
I do not know maybe there could be some kind of alternative skin that looks like a old HOL for new database?

TCD · 27 July 2023, 09:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by mailman

So the OLD HOL is linked to the old database thus it will not be affected by any new entries or updates.

Correct.

TCD · 27 July 2023, 09:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gzegzolka

I do not know maybe there could be some kind of alternative skin that looks like a old HOL for new database?

Cody will create that alternative skin:

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodyJarrett

I'll create a legacy skin for the new website and improve the new site with smaller fonts, better layout on game pages etc.

TCH · 27 July 2023, 23:26

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Originally Posted by CodyJarrett

The old site was difficult to maintain as the database queries, code and presentation layer were mixed together.

I understand that the old engine was hard to maintain, but was it really necessary to construct the new one with the usual web2 JS mountains?

Minuous · 28 July 2023, 08:57

Can we please have an option to change it back to how it was?

Peanutuk · 29 July 2023, 16:08

Seems alright.

AntiPontifex · 10 August 2023, 21:58

I rather like it: excellent work, sir.

blackcornflake · 11 August 2023, 15:50

It's pretty cool. Good work and thanks

No 'sports' genre, though? That's the most important of all genres!

CodyJarrett · 22 August 2023, 13:03

The Sports genre was moved into the Theme field some years ago (along with Educational). Lots of sports in it though!

Sport - Air Hockey
Sport - American Football
Sport - Archery
Sport - Athletics
Sport - BASE Jumping
Sport - Baseball
Sport - Basketball
Sport - Beach Volleyball
Sport - Billiards
Sport - BMX Racing
Sport - Bowls
Sport - Boxing
Sport - Camel Racing
Sport - Climbing
Sport - Cricket
Sport - Cycling
Sport - Darts
Sport - Diving
Sport - Field Hockey
Sport - Figure Skating
Sport - Fishing
Sport - Footbag (Freestyle)
Sport - Football (Soccer)
Sport - Frisbee
Sport - Futuristic
Sport - Golf
Sport - Gymnastics - Rings
Sport - Gymnastics - Uneven Parallel Bars
Sport - Horse Racing
Sport - Ice Hockey
Sport - Ice Skating
Sport - Luge / Bobsled
Sport - Martial Arts - Karate
Sport - Martial Arts - Kendo
Sport - Martial Arts - Kickboxing / Muay Thai
Sport - Martial Arts - Kobud?
Sport - Martial Arts - Kung Fu
Sport - Martial Arts - Ninjutsu
Sport - Mini-Golf
Sport - Motorsport - Car Racing (sans F1)
Sport - Motorsport - Formula 1
Sport - Motorsport - Motorcycle Racing
Sport - Mountaineering
Sport - Multi-Event
Sport - Multi-Event - Olympic Games
Sport - Paragliding
Sport - Pit Fighting
Sport - Pool
Sport - Recreational - Frisbee
Sport - Recreational - Roller Skating
Sport - Rugby
Sport - Scuba Diving
Sport - Shooting
Sport - Skateboarding
Sport - Ski Jumping
Sport - Skiing
Sport - Skydiving
Sport - Snooker
Sport - Snowboarding
Sport - Squash
Sport - Street Hockey
Sport - Surfing
Sport - Table Hockey
Sport - Table Tennis / Ping-Pong
Sport - Ten Pin Bowling
Sport - Tennis
Sport - Track & Field - Hammer Throw
Sport - Track & Field - Hurdles
Sport - Track & Field - Pole Vault
Sport - Tubing
Sport - Volleyball
Sport - Windsurfing
Sport - Wrestling

blackcornflake · 22 August 2023, 16:21

Ah, I see!

I was going to be facetious and say "no pool, only snooker?" but I see that, um, you've included both. Good work, carry on.

zenox98 · 24 August 2023, 13:05

I'm ok with the update but I do miss the alphabetical list along the top - helps when just browsing.

Otherwise good work.

ransom1122 · 26 August 2023, 10:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCD

Cody will create that alternative skin:

Any idea when this will come?

TCD · 26 August 2023, 11:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by ransom1122

Any idea when this will come?

I got this answer: "A little while yet I think."

ransom1122 · 16 September 2023, 04:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCD

I got this answer: "A little while yet I think."

With a lot of new additions to hol, oldhol is becoming more obselete by the day..

Just have to keep on waitin'

modrobert · 12 December 2023, 13:46

I stumbled across this while reading some webstats.

malko · 12 December 2023, 20:44

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Originally Posted by modrobert

I stumbled across this while reading some webstats.

What do we need to understand when we see that "oldhol.abime.net" has more hits than "hol.abime.net" (which itself redirects to "amiga.abime.net" which itself is the second most hit site of the domain) ?

So is it direct or indirect hit ?

modrobert · 13 December 2023, 11:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by malko

What do we need to understand when we see that "oldhol.abime.net" has more hits than "hol.abime.net" (which itself redirects to "amiga.abime.net" which itself is the second most hit site of the domain) ?

So is it direct or indirect hit ?

At first glance it looked like "oldhol" is far more popular than "hol" for the first 12 days in December 2023, but yes, there is a 301 redirect for "hol" to "amiga", good catch.

Still, a lot of people seem to use "oldhol", which has no redirect.

12 December 2023, 13:46	#78
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26 July 2023, 18:30	#61
Bren McGuire Registered User Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Croydon Posts: 580	so you get all this work for free and all you say is that you hate it/complain? bunch of smart folks that you are, then why don't you make a database and website that works on the old machines you so stubbornly continue to use as a web browser? like what is even the point of being able to use HOL on an Amiga with a jurassic browser, have you no other computer phone or whatever do you really live like a caveman

26 July 2023, 22:43	#62
nujack Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Leipzig/Germany Age: 49 Posts: 458	@Bren McGuire: Yes there are people like me that use the website on classic systems or smartphones to visualize the content they have contributed. The new version has more disadvantages on such devices and that’s the reason why we asked to get the old version back. Of course we would like to use HOL in future, but if there is no more actual content available it makes no sense to contribute further and look for alternatives instead. I don‘t understand why it was changed if there was no technical reason. For me the old version was perfect and easy to handle. That’s really sad …

27 July 2023, 09:49	#64
Gzegzolka Registered User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Warszawa / Polska Posts: 1,858	I wonder could it be possible to update old Hol from time to time? For example once a year with basic informations like new games entries, screen shots, authors credits. What would be perfect for me is old layout and look, but with new engine under skin. I understood that old database was a mess hard to manage. I do not know maybe there could be some kind of alternative skin that looks like a old HOL for new database?

28 July 2023, 08:57	#68
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,640	Can we please have an option to change it back to how it was?

29 July 2023, 16:08	#69
Peanutuk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The North, UK Age: 45 Posts: 1,082	Seems alright.

10 August 2023, 21:58	#70
AntiPontifex Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Peterborough, Ontario, Canada Posts: 80	I rather like it: excellent work, sir.

11 August 2023, 15:50	#71
blackcornflake Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cereal box Posts: 794	It's pretty cool. Good work and thanks No 'sports' genre, though? That's the most important of all genres!

22 August 2023, 13:03	#72
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,160	The Sports genre was moved into the Theme field some years ago (along with Educational). Lots of sports in it though! Sport - Air Hockey Sport - American Football Sport - Archery Sport - Athletics Sport - BASE Jumping Sport - Baseball Sport - Basketball Sport - Beach Volleyball Sport - Billiards Sport - BMX Racing Sport - Bowls Sport - Boxing Sport - Camel Racing Sport - Climbing Sport - Cricket Sport - Cycling Sport - Darts Sport - Diving Sport - Field Hockey Sport - Figure Skating Sport - Fishing Sport - Footbag (Freestyle) Sport - Football (Soccer) Sport - Frisbee Sport - Futuristic Sport - Golf Sport - Gymnastics - Rings Sport - Gymnastics - Uneven Parallel Bars Sport - Horse Racing Sport - Ice Hockey Sport - Ice Skating Sport - Luge / Bobsled Sport - Martial Arts - Karate Sport - Martial Arts - Kendo Sport - Martial Arts - Kickboxing / Muay Thai Sport - Martial Arts - Kobud? Sport - Martial Arts - Kung Fu Sport - Martial Arts - Ninjutsu Sport - Mini-Golf Sport - Motorsport - Car Racing (sans F1) Sport - Motorsport - Formula 1 Sport - Motorsport - Motorcycle Racing Sport - Mountaineering Sport - Multi-Event Sport - Multi-Event - Olympic Games Sport - Paragliding Sport - Pit Fighting Sport - Pool Sport - Recreational - Frisbee Sport - Recreational - Roller Skating Sport - Rugby Sport - Scuba Diving Sport - Shooting Sport - Skateboarding Sport - Ski Jumping Sport - Skiing Sport - Skydiving Sport - Snooker Sport - Snowboarding Sport - Squash Sport - Street Hockey Sport - Surfing Sport - Table Hockey Sport - Table Tennis / Ping-Pong Sport - Ten Pin Bowling Sport - Tennis Sport - Track & Field - Hammer Throw Sport - Track & Field - Hurdles Sport - Track & Field - Pole Vault Sport - Tubing Sport - Volleyball Sport - Windsurfing Sport - Wrestling

22 August 2023, 16:21	#73
blackcornflake Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cereal box Posts: 794	Ah, I see! I was going to be facetious and say "no pool, only snooker?" but I see that, um, you've included both. Good work, carry on.

24 August 2023, 13:05	#74
zenox98 Joy Division Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: East Yorkshire Age: 60 Posts: 239	I'm ok with the update but I do miss the alphabetical list along the top - helps when just browsing. Otherwise good work.

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