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Old 19 October 2023, 02:46   #1
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Onboard A600 CPU too hot after Furia

I have been trying to get a Furia to work on one of my A600s, it works fine on another machine but on the other A600, it has some trouble. What alarmed me though was after using the Furia I then went back to running the A600 without the card for a few hours and the onboard CPU became almost too hot to touch. I can't remember if the board A600 CPU runs this hot by default or is it something the Furia might have damaged on the A600? It was recapped last year so there should be no issues regarding the CAPS.
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Old 19 October 2023, 08:52   #2
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Maybe the 68000 is marginal and about to die. It does not get hot normally, not at all.

Unlikely that the Furia caused that. Maybe ESD damage.
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Old 19 October 2023, 08:54   #3
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Oh bugger, that is not good news. I guess I need to send it in for repair again then lol
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Old 19 October 2023, 10:18   #4
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Hmm I have left the A600 on again with out the Furia, just sitting on ClassicWB, at the moment the 1mb chipram card is not plugged in, the Paula, Agnus and CPU are getting quite warm to almost hot just sitting there doing nothing. I have a new PSU connected but what might be causing this? It appears to be making the Amiga unstable.
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Are you sure the PSU is ok and not outputting to much voltage? Was the recap done right? High ripple can make stuff run hotter.

One thing to note, however: this is all way before power-saving. It makes no difference if it is just "sitting" on the Workbench screen or if you are playing a demanding game - all the chips are always working equally hard. That is, at full power, so to speak.

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It appears to be making the Amiga unstable.
Appears, or is it actually? Let it run a ram test in a loop for hours and see if it crashes after some time.

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I do not have a way to check if it is too much voltage, I am using this PSU:

https://www.c64psu.com/c64psu/56-140...dule-no_thanks

They only sell a model for the US, which is around 110-115v in Japan it is 100v, I wonder if that might be the issue. The recap was done before I bought the machine but it looks like a good job. Perhaps it is normal this hot for an old machine?
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Perhaps it is normal this hot for an old machine?
So, does it actually become unstable or not?

Since "hot" is very subjective, it *might* be normal. It could be only 50°C, which for many people is already too hot to touch. But that would be ok for those chips.
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It seems to be running fine for a while, then suddenly freezes. I noticed this first when running the Furia, so I took it off. It was then that I noticed the chips were quite hot, after running it for a while on Workbench without the card it seemed okay but the chips were quite hot, but as you say it is subjective. I would say that chips are not over 50°C it does not feel that hot.
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Are you sure the PSU is ok and not outputting to much voltage? Was the recap done right? High ripple can make stuff run hotter.

One thing to note, however: this is all way before power-saving. It makes no difference if it is just "sitting" on the Workbench screen or if you are playing a demanding game - all the chips are always working equally hard. That is, at full power, so to speak.


Appears, or is it actually? Let it run a ram test in a loop for hours and see if it crashes after some time.
I second that, it is very good to know that the basics, like memory is ok, to avoid going on a wild goose chase.

Run for example the memory test of amiga test kit and let it run for say 30min, then you will be quite sure that the memory at least is not an issue plus it will automatically stress test the cpu: https://github.com/keirf/Amiga-Stuff/releases
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Maybe the 68000 is marginal and about to die. It does not get hot normally, not at all.
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Nice pic.

That's what I would expect, about 50°C. On the edge of what some people call warm and others hot.
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Nice pic.

That's what I would expect, about 50°C. On the edge of what some people call warm and others hot.
Well I wouldn't want to bathe in 50 degree water
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Nice pic.
not mine... totally forgot to post the link to the source (ok, I wasn't able to find the source with reversed search on Google. that's why. but I found a note I made back then with the link in it).

https://www.forum64.de/index.php?thr...ur-im-betrieb/
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Old 22 October 2023, 01:05   #14
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Thanks for the help guys, I had the A600 running again with no extra hardware with the Amiga test kit and it was okay. The temperatures in the image seem to be the same as my A600. I guess I was just over worrying lol
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