How do I get the best WB performance?

Rabbit80 · 29 June 2009, 21:59

Now that I have my 68030 /40Mhz Apollo card how do I tune Workbench for maximum performance?

I have 3.0 Roms - Can I run OS3.5?
How do I make sure all caches are on?
Can I boot from my drive if I convert it to SFS?
Can I relocate my kickstart into Fast Mem?
Any libraries optimised for 68030 that improve performance?
Other suggestions?

Currently running in 640x512x32 screenmode and using ClassicWB ADVSP as a base.

Cheers

Rabbit

Retro1234 · 29 June 2009, 22:44

Your getting quite a setup Rabbit80

Id recomend OS3.5 -people always say its slow but ive found quite the opposite, very smooth and get the dockbar from 3.9.

OS3.5 is designed for 3.1 Roms - unless your going to upgrade your kickstart chip you can Skick into 3.1 roms, this should be easy if youve got all your kickstarts setup for WHDload you only need to download Skick from Aminet.
Or you can use the Tool SetVersion to run OS3.5 on 3.0 roms

Caches try ADos command Avail.

Also if you havent got a scandoubler MagicTV

Mad-Matt · 29 June 2009, 23:03

OS3.5 is only slower due to the higher bitplane requirement for the colors. Will be just as fast if you set it to basic (horrid) 4 colors. Amidock is cause of major slow down in os 3.9 as it is constantly refreshing its icons (noticable more on AGA output). Quit it and you get quite a chunk of memory and speed back.

NewWPA8 is an OS patch that should be part of any fresh wb install as it does so much good on AGA output.

Rabbit80 · 29 June 2009, 23:16

Why would I need a scandoubler?

FOL · 29 June 2009, 23:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbit80

Why would I need a scandoubler?

Think he ment "If you have'nt got a scandoubler, try MAGICTV"

If I remember, MagicTV is an application. Sure I have it on my A1200 setup.

Rabbit80 · 29 June 2009, 23:43

What does it do? Why would I need it? - My LCD does not flicker (according to the manual it has an integrated de-interlacer)

StingRay · 30 June 2009, 00:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

Caches try ADos command Avail.

Avail has nothing to do with caches, it just shows the available memory. To enable caches the 'CPU' command can be used ('CPU cache burst' f.e.)

Retro1234 · 30 June 2009, 00:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

Avail has nothing to do with caches, it just shows the available memory. To enable caches the 'CPU' command can be used ('CPU cache burst' f.e.)

You right - I knew it was one of the two

Rabbit80 · 30 June 2009, 01:00

So what CPU command shall I add to my startup-sequence?

fc.studio · 30 June 2009, 01:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbit80

What does it do? Why would I need it? - My LCD does not flicker (according to the manual it has an integrated de-interlacer)

What's the complete brand/name of your LCD TV? Is the image perfectly without flickering in 640x512 resolution and with RGB->SCART connection?

FOL · 30 June 2009, 01:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbit80

So what CPU command shall I add to my startup-sequence?

You could try system patch 3. Search for it on EAB, but I cant remember if it works with 3.0 or anything other than OS3.9.

It fixes/patches a number of things.

Rabbit80 · 30 June 2009, 01:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by fc.studio

What's the complete brand/name of your LCD TV? Is the image perfectly without flickering in 640x512 resolution and with RGB->SCART connection?

Its a Hannspree. I don't have SCART working - I cannot make it accept the signal at all

, but to compensate I am (I have a friend working on it this very second) hacking an old A520 to make an s-video output! Currently I am using composite.

The image is 100% rock steady - not a hint of flicker! Kind of like a (ever so slightly blurry) photograph!

FOL · 30 June 2009, 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by fc.studio

What's the complete brand/name of your LCD TV? Is the image perfectly without flickering in 640x512 resolution and with RGB->SCART connection?

LCD's dont flicker.

MagicTV works on CRT's fine, as I used to use it on my standard CRT TV all the time. It done the job fine.

Rabbit80 · 30 June 2009, 01:12

Will skick work with my ROMs? they are from AF2008

Retro1234 · 30 June 2009, 01:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbit80

Will skick work with my ROMs? they are from AF2008

If they work with WHDload - download Skick click on the icon, this will bring up a GUI and list avalible kickstarts

I think ill have to get an LCD - do games look good on the LCD? -do they blur when scrolling

Try what StingRay said 'CPU cache burst' or type CPU ? for all commands ive only used this to help run a few CD32 games

Rabbit80 · 30 June 2009, 01:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

If they work with WHDload - download Skick click on the icon, this will bring up a GUI and list avalible kickstarts

I think ill have to get an LCD - do games look good on the LCD? -do they blur when scrolling

Try what StingRay said 'CPU cache burst' or type CPU ? for all commands ive only used this to help run a few CD32 games

I'll try it tomorrow..

My advice with LCD is to get a 100Hz model - much smoother and less blurry. They are not quite as sharp as CRT when scrolling, but not exactly awful either

I'll look into the CPU command - i guess if i softkick, I won't need to use FASTROM on that?

How do I upgrade my ClassicWB install to OS3.5? Do I have all the software I need with my AF2008 CD?

Retro1234 · 30 June 2009, 01:52

Ok cool - My brothers got an LCD ill test on his first. Let me know how it goes, ive never tried FASTROM but I could never get the Rom to load into fast with Skick and when the rom was in Chip I got a lot of slowdown You might not have these problems - but thats why I use 3.5 on 3.0 roms using SetVersion.

fc.studio · 30 June 2009, 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL

LCD's dont flicker.

MagicTV works on CRT's fine, as I used to use it on my standard CRT TV all the time. It done the job fine.

PLEASE STOP TO REPORT LCDs DON'T FLICKER!!!
I'm interested in a 15" / 17" / 19" LCD monitor to connect with an AMIGA RGB -> SCART cable able to display 640x256 AND 650x512 with 100% rock steady image on my basic A1200 (without scandoubler and/or flickerfixer).
Perhaps I don't know/understand the meaning of "flicker", but I can confirm you that my LG LCD Monitor / TV has 99% rock steady image in 640x256 (100% is in 1084S / M1438S / M1538S Amiga monitor) and unfortunately everybody can see differences and flashing screen in 640x512. In this last resolution you can use it only for a few minutes.

...SO PLEASE STOP TO REPORT LCDs DON'T FLICKER!!!
Probably it depends on the brand / model. Mine does in 640x512, so I'm searching for other models.

About MagicTV I know it. It does the job but NOT enough fine (and it is limited in colours number). A 100% rock steady image is other...

thomas · 30 June 2009, 11:49

Quote:

PLEASE STOP TO REPORT LCDs DON'T FLICKER

It depends on whether the LCD TV has a deinterlacer built-in or not.

On CRT TVs you could simply buy a 100Hz one and it would not flicker.

There are 100Hz LCD TVs, too, but 100Hz technique for LCDs means something different than for CRTs. I don't know if 100Hz for LCD does automatically imply a deinterlacer.

Rabbit80 · 30 June 2009, 12:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by fc.studio

PLEASE STOP TO REPORT LCDs DON'T FLICKER!!!
I'm interested in a 15" / 17" / 19" LCD monitor to connect with an AMIGA RGB -> SCART cable able to display 640x256 AND 650x512 with 100% rock steady image on my basic A1200 (without scandoubler and/or flickerfixer).
Perhaps I don't know/understand the meaning of "flicker", but I can confirm you that my LG LCD Monitor / TV has 99% rock steady image in 640x256 (100% is in 1084S / M1438S / M1538S Amiga monitor) and unfortunately everybody can see differences and flashing screen in 640x512. In this last resolution you can use it only for a few minutes.

...SO PLEASE STOP TO REPORT LCDs DON'T FLICKER!!!
Probably it depends on the brand / model. Mine does in 640x512, so I'm searching for other models.

About MagicTV I know it. It does the job but NOT enough fine (and it is limited in colours number). A 100% rock steady image is other...

100Hz LCD makes for much better / less blurry scrolling - this has nothing to do with flickering!

Which is why I said that my TV has built in de-interlacer according to the manual...

Quote:

My LCD does not flicker (according to the manual it has an integrated de-interlacer)

29 June 2009, 21:59	#1
Rabbit80 Its hard being famous! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Gateway to the dales, UK Age: 43 Posts: 633	How do I get the best WB performance? Now that I have my 68030 /40Mhz Apollo card how do I tune Workbench for maximum performance? I have 3.0 Roms - Can I run OS3.5? How do I make sure all caches are on? Can I boot from my drive if I convert it to SFS? Can I relocate my kickstart into Fast Mem? Any libraries optimised for 68030 that improve performance? Other suggestions? Currently running in 640x512x32 screenmode and using ClassicWB ADVSP as a base. Cheers Rabbit

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29 June 2009, 22:44	#2
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Your getting quite a setup Rabbit80 Id recomend OS3.5 -people always say its slow but ive found quite the opposite, very smooth and get the dockbar from 3.9. OS3.5 is designed for 3.1 Roms - unless your going to upgrade your kickstart chip you can Skick into 3.1 roms, this should be easy if youve got all your kickstarts setup for WHDload you only need to download Skick from Aminet. Or you can use the Tool SetVersion to run OS3.5 on 3.0 roms Caches try ADos command Avail. Also if you havent got a scandoubler MagicTV

29 June 2009, 23:03	#3
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,846	OS3.5 is only slower due to the higher bitplane requirement for the colors. Will be just as fast if you set it to basic (horrid) 4 colors. Amidock is cause of major slow down in os 3.9 as it is constantly refreshing its icons (noticable more on AGA output). Quit it and you get quite a chunk of memory and speed back. NewWPA8 is an OS patch that should be part of any fresh wb install as it does so much good on AGA output.

29 June 2009, 23:16	#4
Rabbit80 Its hard being famous! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Gateway to the dales, UK Age: 43 Posts: 633	Why would I need a scandoubler?

29 June 2009, 23:43	#6
Rabbit80 Its hard being famous! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Gateway to the dales, UK Age: 43 Posts: 633	What does it do? Why would I need it? - My LCD does not flicker (according to the manual it has an integrated de-interlacer)

30 June 2009, 01:00	#9
Rabbit80 Its hard being famous! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Gateway to the dales, UK Age: 43 Posts: 633	So what CPU command shall I add to my startup-sequence?

30 June 2009, 01:12	#14
Rabbit80 Its hard being famous! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Gateway to the dales, UK Age: 43 Posts: 633	Will skick work with my ROMs? they are from AF2008

30 June 2009, 01:52	#17
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Ok cool - My brothers got an LCD ill test on his first. Let me know how it goes, ive never tried FASTROM but I could never get the Rom to load into fast with Skick and when the rom was in Chip I got a lot of slowdown You might not have these problems - but thats why I use 3.5 on 3.0 roms using SetVersion.

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