Query about ClassicWB Lite HDF

Foebane · 09 March 2018, 14:01

Does anyone know if the HDF that comes as part of the ClassicWB Lite install is a basic HDF, or does it use Full Drive/RDB mode?

chip · 09 March 2018, 14:07

Full Drive/RDB

AMIGASYSTEM · 09 March 2018, 14:58

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Originally Posted by Foebane

it use Full Drive/RDB mode?

No active Full Drive/RDB mode

Foebane · 09 March 2018, 14:59

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Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

No

So what if I wanted to make it use that mode? Can I just click on the RDB mode button? Won't I have to use HDToolbox to make changes?

AMIGASYSTEM · 09 March 2018, 15:03

Yes, but destroy the content, you will have to initialize with HDToolBox format and recopy all the data.

Foebane · 09 March 2018, 15:11

OK, I don't want to do that. I don't think it even needs it, as I used it for a long time before I even knew what RDB was, and I had no issues.

However, can I use multiple HDFs with and without RDB, or do they all have to be one or the other?

AMIGASYSTEM · 09 March 2018, 15:14

You can use them anyway, but you can not, for example, partition them, change the filesystem, or write as a disk image on Amiga Real.

Foebane · 09 March 2018, 16:08

What I would like to know about RDB is, is it a one-way operation? If I select the plain HDF (whatever it is) and click on that RDB button in WinUAE's hardfile options, I find I cannot click it again to reverse the mode or turn it off. Is it a case of once clicked, forever RDB?

AMIGASYSTEM · 09 March 2018, 17:46

Do it first to create one new, make one first new

Foebane · 09 March 2018, 21:51

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Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

Do it first to create one new, make one first new

So how do I deactivate the RDB mode on the HDF file?

AMIGASYSTEM · 09 March 2018, 23:08

You can not go back

Foebane · 10 March 2018, 00:06

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Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

You can not go back

Best to make a backup of that HDF, just in case.

Foebane · 11 March 2018, 09:57

Yep, I just confirmed it by starting up WinUAE with the ClassicWB HDF as usual, then casually strolling over to the Hard Drive settings, clicking that HDF and "accidentally" hitting the RDB mode button. Then I resetted the Amiga.

OH, NO! NO MORE CLASSICWB, just the 3.1 boot screen! Oh, what a silly sausage I am!

Just goes to show that it's most likely easier to just copy the OS to a much larger data HDF (preferably full RDB) first, process the original HDF and then copy it all back. Oh, well.

thomas · 11 March 2018, 10:43

The RDB mode is only saved in the WinUAE config, not in the HDF itself. You can just remove the HDF and add it again to deactivate RDB mode. Or load the config file again.

Only if you run HDToolbox and write an actual RDB to the HDF, then the data is gone. Although it could perhaps be restored by a program like DiskSalv.

Foebane · 11 March 2018, 11:04

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Originally Posted by thomas

The RDB mode is only saved in the WinUAE config, not in the HDF itself. You can just remove the HDF and add it again to deactivate RDB mode. Or load the config file again.

I had the HDF backed up, and when I reset the Amiga as I mentioned before that brought up the boot screen, it was in the same WinUAE session.

So I just ran WinUAE again, and indeed, the OS is back. What's more, it didn't change the .uae file itself. So really, it's not a major problem, I suppose.

AMIGASYSTEM · 11 March 2018, 11:21

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Originally Posted by Foebane

So I just ran WinUAE again, and indeed, the OS is back. What's more, it didn't change the .uae file itself. So really, it's not a major problem, I suppose.

Normal and discounted

because you have not modified anything on the hard disk, but if you initialize it with HDTooBox you will not be able to go back.

Foebane · 11 March 2018, 11:37

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Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

but if you initialize it with HDTooBox you will not be able to go back.

Oh, I'll be sure not to do that.

09 March 2018, 14:01	#1
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09 March 2018, 14:07	#2
chip Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Italy Age: 49 Posts: 2,942	Full Drive/RDB

09 March 2018, 15:03	#5
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,248	Yes, but destroy the content, you will have to initialize with HDToolBox format and recopy all the data.

09 March 2018, 15:11	#6
Foebane Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Cardiff, UK Age: 51 Posts: 2,871	OK, I don't want to do that. I don't think it even needs it, as I used it for a long time before I even knew what RDB was, and I had no issues. However, can I use multiple HDFs with and without RDB, or do they all have to be one or the other?

09 March 2018, 15:14	#7
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,248	You can use them anyway, but you can not, for example, partition them, change the filesystem, or write as a disk image on Amiga Real.

09 March 2018, 16:08	#8
Foebane Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Cardiff, UK Age: 51 Posts: 2,871	What I would like to know about RDB is, is it a one-way operation? If I select the plain HDF (whatever it is) and click on that RDB button in WinUAE's hardfile options, I find I cannot click it again to reverse the mode or turn it off. Is it a case of once clicked, forever RDB?

09 March 2018, 17:46	#9
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,248	Do it first to create one new, make one first new

09 March 2018, 23:08	#11
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,248	You can not go back

11 March 2018, 09:57	#13
Foebane Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Cardiff, UK Age: 51 Posts: 2,871	Yep, I just confirmed it by starting up WinUAE with the ClassicWB HDF as usual, then casually strolling over to the Hard Drive settings, clicking that HDF and "accidentally" hitting the RDB mode button. Then I resetted the Amiga. OH, NO! NO MORE CLASSICWB, just the 3.1 boot screen! Oh, what a silly sausage I am! Just goes to show that it's most likely easier to just copy the OS to a much larger data HDF (preferably full RDB) first, process the original HDF and then copy it all back. Oh, well.

11 March 2018, 10:43	#14
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,987	The RDB mode is only saved in the WinUAE config, not in the HDF itself. You can just remove the HDF and add it again to deactivate RDB mode. Or load the config file again. Only if you run HDToolbox and write an actual RDB to the HDF, then the data is gone. Although it could perhaps be restored by a program like DiskSalv.

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