Real Amiga or Emulation - Page 3

Miggy2TheMax · 23 December 2002, 00:58

Quote:

Originally posted by Frederic
emulation. Why? With WinUAE, you can emulate superbly, for gaming, dozens of models and types, with many variations of each. This LOGIC applies not only to Amga, but any emulated older console or computer. It's also neat, because instead of wires and stacks of games and disks, you also save space, and, it's FREE. Get of this real thing baloney, giuys. it's just games. For other things besides games i cannot comment, because I do not know.
Also, I emulate Amiga on my Apple ibook and atari St as well. Try playing "Settlers" or "Cenurion of Rome" on a plane or train with a real miggy.
Bah.

Sorry Fred, but "emulation" does not cut it for me. Its might be ok for consoles but not for amiga! With the amiga you have Whdload, jst or straight HD patches, there is no reason to emulate "dozens of models" and there is no reason to have 1000's of disks if you have most games installed on the hard disk.

Is Settlers or Centurion of Rome Joystick games? Or are they turn based strategy games? Anyhow when I play my retro games I rarely play them "on the move", I want to hear the sound thru a nice stero system and be comfy in my fav computer chair, using my fav joystick and my fav amiga!!

Fred the Fop · 23 December 2002, 01:17

You have your opinion and I mine. Subjectively we can of course disagree. But objectively no one here has shown a reasonable alternative to emulation. And you know that some versions of Amiga (or many other old computers) are not compatable with older games, or certain games, or games that require this video card or that monitor, etc. Nuff said on that.
And of course if you have an Amiga 500 you are screwed to play AGA or newer games.Compared to emulation, the "real thing" malarkey is also expensive. It does have an advantage that no emulation for PPC has yet made it. And I use WHDLoad and JST almost perfectly on WinUAE. I don't see it as being an exclusive to the amigaa thing

And also rememeber that amigas and old computers everywhere are dying, being tossed out, etc. So most people are forced to emulate anyway.

Mr Creosote · 23 December 2002, 01:17

Quote:

Try playing "Settlers" or "Cenurion of Rome" on a plane or train with a real miggy.

I also can't do that with any emulators, so that argument doesn't quite make it for me

Fred the Fop · 23 December 2002, 01:19

I don't understand Mr Creosote...??
Yes you can.

Mr Creosote · 23 December 2002, 01:28

I can't. That's a personal statement, referring only to me individually. I am aware others (rich bastards like you

) might be, but I'm not. You said

Quote:

Compared to emulation, the "real thing" malarkey is also expensive

and that is where I'm jumping in: you actually want to claim buying an Amiga is more expensive than buying a PC, Mac or whatever other system which might be able to emulate an Amiga? Erm... no, not quite. That argument only holds if you take the ownership of such a system 'for granted'.

I absolutely do see many points in favor of emulation, but what I'm trying to say is that as many of them there might be, they, just like the arguments for using real Amigas, are always dependant on the individual situation of the person who uses them. An 'ultimate truth' doesn't exist there. For you with your current hardware, emulation might have its pros, for me, it's hardly more than a way to make some screenshots.

Note to Akira & others: I have left out the 'eliteness' argument out on purpose

Pyromania · 23 December 2002, 09:21

Quote:

Originally posted by Frederic
The "Real thing" does not cut it for me, where's the logic? And FAR better joysticks are found for the PC than any miggy joystick.

Wico Amiga joysticks last forever feel just like an arcade stick and kick ass.

Pyromania · 23 December 2002, 09:25

Quote:

Originally posted by Frederic
You have your opinion and I mine. Subjectively we can of course disagree. But objectively no one here has shown a reasonable alternative to emulation. And you know that some versions of Amiga (or many other old computers) are not compatable with older games, or certain games, or games that require this video card or that monitor, etc. Nuff said on that.
And of course if you have an Amiga 500 you are screwed to play AGA or newer games.Compared to emulation, the "real thing" malarkey is also expensive. It does have an advantage that no emulation for PPC has yet made it. And I use WHDLoad and JST almost perfectly on WinUAE. I don't see it as being an exclusive to the amigaa thing
And also rememeber that amigas and old computers everywhere are dying, being tossed out, etc. So most people are forced to emulate anyway.

Well if you need to use the Amiga version of the Video Toaster Flyer and all the cool ad-on software and effects you are just SOL if you are just doing emulation. You will need a Video slot and Zorro slot to enjoy this very fab part of the Amiga video scene.

Fred the Fop · 23 December 2002, 09:40

I'd bet the vast majority of people who emulate use it for gaming. As I said in an earlier post, I could not comment on applications because I don't use them.
So I am not interested in using WinUAE for that. You and Akira obviously need real Amigas for your jobs, of course.

Twistin'Ghost · 23 December 2002, 16:40

Another advantage of REAL Amiga usage is that you don't have to deal with a bloated OS underneath AmigaDOS.

Jambo · 23 December 2002, 17:08

I often find that to be a problem while using MacUAE and UAE twistin!!

Seriously though, i hate XP - it crashes like a bitch! Think ill go back to 98

As for my vote... well I haven't used my Real Amiga in ages so its going to have to be emulated!

Twistin'Ghost · 23 December 2002, 17:55

But I was not referring exclusively to Windows as the bloated OS...

Jambo · 23 December 2002, 23:22

All os's are bloated when compared to AmigaDOS/Workbench

adolescent · 24 December 2002, 04:11

The real deal, that is until I get my AmigaOne then it's emulation city.

I'm just kidding. I'll never give up my A1200, best little computer I've ever had (and the A3000 before that got more use and had less problems than any box I've ever had).

Oh, and emulation will never be perfect.

Fred the Fop · 24 December 2002, 08:59

Shut up.

Carlos Ace · 24 December 2002, 11:27

There´s nothing like the "real thing" (even with the usual problems ...).

Amiga1992 · 24 December 2002, 15:22

Fred...

Would you swap the charm and joy of using your Macintosh with a simple and pathetic Macintosh emulator? I think not.

Same goes for any machine. You take the charm away from it when you emulate it (besides taking other things out, but I digress). It's just not the same! And I always preffer the real, original stuff...

Fred the Fop · 24 December 2002, 18:13

Akira, OS X is new, and it's far too powerful to emulate anyway. I do, however , emulate Windows XP, and it's more stable and nearly as fast for my uses as it is on my other computer.
Anyway my arguement will be more valid each year that passes because less and les amigas (Or Super Nintendos or Apple ][e's etc) will be in working condition.

Fred the Fop · 24 December 2002, 18:15

As a matter of fact, Twist's point is the only one here that logicaly, not emotionally, makes the real thing shine over emulation.

adolescent · 24 December 2002, 18:48

Quote:

Originally posted by Frederic
Akira, OS X is new, and it's far too powerful to emulate anyway.

It's not the OS that is being emulated, it's the computer hardware. Currently, I know of no G4 emulators available, but they will be there someday. Once that is done, getting the OS to run comes along pretty easily. Look at MacOnLinux, since it doesn't have to emulate hardware it can run 10.2 now, and required subtle changes to accomplish this.

Twistin'Ghost · 24 December 2002, 18:55

And there was certainly a time when it was believed that Amiga emulation was an impossibility. The fact that one by one, they broke down each barrier is impressive indeed. Now if those emulation masters would get humping on a 3DO emulator... (and I reckon CDi isn't emulated yet either, correct me if I'm wrong.)

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23 December 2002, 01:17	#42
Fred the Fop flaming faggot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Versailles Age: 55 Posts: 2,808	You have your opinion and I mine. Subjectively we can of course disagree. But objectively no one here has shown a reasonable alternative to emulation. And you know that some versions of Amiga (or many other old computers) are not compatable with older games, or certain games, or games that require this video card or that monitor, etc. Nuff said on that. And of course if you have an Amiga 500 you are screwed to play AGA or newer games.Compared to emulation, the "real thing" malarkey is also expensive. It does have an advantage that no emulation for PPC has yet made it. And I use WHDLoad and JST almost perfectly on WinUAE. I don't see it as being an exclusive to the amigaa thing And also rememeber that amigas and old computers everywhere are dying, being tossed out, etc. So most people are forced to emulate anyway.

23 December 2002, 01:19	#44
Fred the Fop flaming faggot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Versailles Age: 55 Posts: 2,808	I don't understand Mr Creosote...?? Yes you can.

23 December 2002, 09:40	#48
Fred the Fop flaming faggot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Versailles Age: 55 Posts: 2,808	I'd bet the vast majority of people who emulate use it for gaming. As I said in an earlier post, I could not comment on applications because I don't use them. So I am not interested in using WinUAE for that. You and Akira obviously need real Amigas for your jobs, of course.

23 December 2002, 16:40	#49
Twistin'Ghost Give up the ghost Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U$A Age: 33 Posts: 4,662	Another advantage of REAL Amiga usage is that you don't have to deal with a bloated OS underneath AmigaDOS.

23 December 2002, 17:08	#50
Jambo Yarr! Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: n. A place where something is or could be located; a site. Age: 48 Posts: 112	I often find that to be a problem while using MacUAE and UAE twistin!! Seriously though, i hate XP - it crashes like a bitch! Think ill go back to 98 As for my vote... well I haven't used my Real Amiga in ages so its going to have to be emulated!

23 December 2002, 17:55	#51
Twistin'Ghost Give up the ghost Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U$A Age: 33 Posts: 4,662	But I was not referring exclusively to Windows as the bloated OS...

23 December 2002, 23:22	#52
Jambo Yarr! Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: n. A place where something is or could be located; a site. Age: 48 Posts: 112	All os's are bloated when compared to AmigaDOS/Workbench

24 December 2002, 04:11	#53
adolescent Powered by Motorola Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Age: 52 Posts: 1,065	The real deal, that is until I get my AmigaOne then it's emulation city. I'm just kidding. I'll never give up my A1200, best little computer I've ever had (and the A3000 before that got more use and had less problems than any box I've ever had). Oh, and emulation will never be perfect.

24 December 2002, 08:59	#54
Fred the Fop flaming faggot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Versailles Age: 55 Posts: 2,808	Shut up.

24 December 2002, 11:27	#55
Carlos Ace Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lusitania Posts: 455	There´s nothing like the "real thing" (even with the usual problems ...).

24 December 2002, 15:22	#56
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Fred... Would you swap the charm and joy of using your Macintosh with a simple and pathetic Macintosh emulator? I think not. Same goes for any machine. You take the charm away from it when you emulate it (besides taking other things out, but I digress). It's just not the same! And I always preffer the real, original stuff...

24 December 2002, 18:13	#57
Fred the Fop flaming faggot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Versailles Age: 55 Posts: 2,808	Akira, OS X is new, and it's far too powerful to emulate anyway. I do, however , emulate Windows XP, and it's more stable and nearly as fast for my uses as it is on my other computer. Anyway my arguement will be more valid each year that passes because less and les amigas (Or Super Nintendos or Apple ][e's etc) will be in working condition.

24 December 2002, 18:15	#58
Fred the Fop flaming faggot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Versailles Age: 55 Posts: 2,808	As a matter of fact, Twist's point is the only one here that logicaly, not emotionally, makes the real thing shine over emulation.

24 December 2002, 18:55	#60
Twistin'Ghost Give up the ghost Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U$A Age: 33 Posts: 4,662	And there was certainly a time when it was believed that Amiga emulation was an impossibility. The fact that one by one, they broke down each barrier is impressive indeed. Now if those emulation masters would get humping on a 3DO emulator... (and I reckon CDi isn't emulated yet either, correct me if I'm wrong.)

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