3.1 install to CF problem

Raffaz · 14 July 2007, 10:36

Ok heres the story so far lol. I was gonna install 3.9 to CF but i havent got a CD drive. I then decided to install 3.1, ive done a test install to a small HDD with no problems using this guide http://www.cdv.co.nz/support/amiga/001/
I then connected the CF card to the IDE with a 44pin adapter, but i fail straight away because the HDtoolbox cant detect the drive. I have connected it as a master and slave. It also gives an error about it not being a disk type 7. Where am i going wrong, and how can i correct it? Cheers.

Raffaz · 14 July 2007, 13:34

Just an update, ive tried 2 CF cards now with no luck. They are both sandisk. 1 is 256MB and the other is 2GB. Maybe a dodgy adapter?

Toni Wilen · 14 July 2007, 14:18

CF cards in IDE-mode are usually removable drives (type 7), not direct access drives (type 0)

http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/HDToolBoxPatch probably helps.

Another solution is to partition it with WinUAE (WinUAE "hides" the real type)

fc.studio · 14 July 2007, 14:38

I had a similar problem. I solved on formatting the CF with Windows XP. Then Amiga HDToolBox found it as a normal HD.

jimbob005 · 14 July 2007, 14:51

if you want to put 3.9 on to the cf card use WinUAE on windows

Raffaz · 14 July 2007, 15:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

CF cards in IDE-mode are usually removable drives (type 7), not direct access drives (type 0)

http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/HDToolBoxPatch probably helps.

Another solution is to partition it with WinUAE (WinUAE "hides" the real type)

Ive downloaded the patch, but im not sure how to install it. Win UAE cant see the drive, so im probably doing something wrong there aswell.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fc.studio

I had a similar problem. I solved on formatting the CF with Windows XP. Then Amiga HDToolBox found it as a normal HD.

Just tried that, no joy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob005

if you want to put 3.9 on to the cf card use WinUAE on windows

Like i said above, i cant see the card in WinUAE. Ive been using the card with no problems when transfering .ADF files with PCMCIA.

Zetr0 · 14 July 2007, 16:18

hmmm post a shot of your adapter. there is a specific line that needs to be grounded otherwise the host machine will see is (as you have already stated) removable media, and because of such it wont enable the card full IDE control

I will have a lookie later (gonna have lunch first) so i can let you know pin you need to ground on your adapter. however I do belive in all truth this needs to be part of the http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=25274 thread.

fc.studio · 14 July 2007, 17:22

I used a Dane-Elec Compact Flash like you by PCMCIA port.
Then I decided to try it like Hard drive but unfortunately HDToolBox was not able to view/find it. I had the idea to format the card using Windows XP (no fast mode).
After formatting, HDToolBox found it like a normal HD and could read the card to understand the size, name and so on.

Retro1234 · 14 July 2007, 19:06

Yo Kebab Lover Theres some good information here
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...ash+real+A1200

Have you format the card to FFS not WIN/FAT32 with HDInstTool?

Start WinUae from command prompt with the Following command -disableharddrivesafetycheck load your Winuae configuration remove the CF Directory- Select "Add Harddrive" not Add Directory select the CF - boot up and use HDInstTool but you have to Change it to use Uaehf.Device and format the CF to FFS

- CAREFUL NOT to format the C: drive.

Once your CF is set up you can copy 3.9 over plug it into the Amiga

Raffaz · 14 July 2007, 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

hmmm post a shot of your adapter. there is a specific line that needs to be grounded otherwise the host machine will see is (as you have already stated) removable media, and because of such it wont enable the card full IDE control

I will have a lookie later (gonna have lunch first) so i can let you know pin you need to ground on your adapter. however I do belive in all truth this needs to be part of the http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=25274 thread.

The adapter is like this mate.

Raffaz · 14 July 2007, 21:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

Yo Kebab Lover Theres some good information here
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...ash+real+A1200

Have you format the card to FFS not WIN/FAT32 with HDInstTool?

Start WinUae from command prompt with the Following command -disableharddrivesafetycheck load your Winuae configuration remove the CF Directory- Select "Add Harddrive" not Add Directory select the CF - boot up and use HDInstTool but you have to Change it to use Uaehf.Device and format the CF to FFS

- CAREFUL NOT to format the C: drive.

Once your CF is set up you can copy 3.9 over plug it into the Amiga

Is this HDinsttool on WB3.1 or is the HDtool thing totally different in 3.1. Do i need to download and install it? If it is the one on 3.1, then how do i change the settings?

fc.studio · 14 July 2007, 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raffaz

The adapter is like this mate.

I've the same adapter and it works.

Raffaz · 14 July 2007, 22:48

Well its got me beat lol. Ive tested the adapter on the pc and its fine, ive tested both CF cards and they are fine on the pc. The HDD cable in the amiga is working coz i installed workbench 3.1 to a small HDD earlier. Ive tried as master and slave, ive tried the adapter both ways on the cable. Doesnt matter what i do it cant be seen.

jimbob005 · 15 July 2007, 09:11

found this on ebay it all ready been tested

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amiga-CF-IDE-A...QQcmdZViewItem

Retro1234 · 15 July 2007, 12:21

Download from here http://aminet.net/disk/misc/hdinst.lha
If the cf is formated then you can be sure its the adapter -Its all good Fun

spannernick · 15 July 2007, 20:48

http://alan2.rateliff.us/a1200flash/

Amiga1992 · 16 May 2008, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raffaz

Well its got me beat lol. Ive tested the adapter on the pc and its fine, ive tested both CF cards and they are fine on the pc. The HDD cable in the amiga is working coz i installed workbench 3.1 to a small HDD earlier. Ive tried as master and slave, ive tried the adapter both ways on the cable. Doesnt matter what i do it cant be seen.

I couldn't get WinUAE to recognize my card with the HDToolbox that came with my Workbench. It would only recognize it when I changed, in winUAE prefs, the type of device to IDE0 instead of UAE.

Then it worked.
But use HDInstTools, it's so much better. You can prepare and format straight to SFS from it, which is what I did (took ages but it was worth it)

I hope this solves your problem

14 July 2007, 10:36	#1
Raffaz Kebab Lover Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Newcastle, UK Age: 49 Posts: 67	3.1 install to CF problem Ok heres the story so far lol. I was gonna install 3.9 to CF but i havent got a CD drive. I then decided to install 3.1, ive done a test install to a small HDD with no problems using this guide http://www.cdv.co.nz/support/amiga/001/ I then connected the CF card to the IDE with a 44pin adapter, but i fail straight away because the HDtoolbox cant detect the drive. I have connected it as a master and slave. It also gives an error about it not being a disk type 7. Where am i going wrong, and how can i correct it? Cheers.

14 July 2007, 19:06	#9
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,783	Yo Kebab Lover Theres some good information here http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...ash+real+A1200 Have you format the card to FFS not WIN/FAT32 with HDInstTool? Start WinUae from command prompt with the Following command -disableharddrivesafetycheck load your Winuae configuration remove the CF Directory- Select "Add Harddrive" not Add Directory select the CF - boot up and use HDInstTool but you have to Change it to use Uaehf.Device and format the CF to FFS - CAREFUL NOT to format the C: drive. Once your CF is set up you can copy 3.9 over plug it into the Amiga Last edited by Retro1234; 14 July 2007 at 19:15.

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14 July 2007, 13:34	#2
Raffaz Kebab Lover Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Newcastle, UK Age: 49 Posts: 67	Just an update, ive tried 2 CF cards now with no luck. They are both sandisk. 1 is 256MB and the other is 2GB. Maybe a dodgy adapter?

14 July 2007, 14:18	#3
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,526	CF cards in IDE-mode are usually removable drives (type 7), not direct access drives (type 0) http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/HDToolBoxPatch probably helps. Another solution is to partition it with WinUAE (WinUAE "hides" the real type)

14 July 2007, 14:38	#4
fc.studio Cat lover Join Date: May 2004 Location: Italy Age: 54 Posts: 804	I had a similar problem. I solved on formatting the CF with Windows XP. Then Amiga HDToolBox found it as a normal HD.

14 July 2007, 14:51	#5
jimbob005 Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: swadlincote, uk Age: 43 Posts: 226	if you want to put 3.9 on to the cf card use WinUAE on windows

14 July 2007, 16:18	#7
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	hmmm post a shot of your adapter. there is a specific line that needs to be grounded otherwise the host machine will see is (as you have already stated) removable media, and because of such it wont enable the card full IDE control I will have a lookie later (gonna have lunch first) so i can let you know pin you need to ground on your adapter. however I do belive in all truth this needs to be part of the http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=25274 thread.

14 July 2007, 17:22	#8
fc.studio Cat lover Join Date: May 2004 Location: Italy Age: 54 Posts: 804	I used a Dane-Elec Compact Flash like you by PCMCIA port. Then I decided to try it like Hard drive but unfortunately HDToolBox was not able to view/find it. I had the idea to format the card using Windows XP (no fast mode). After formatting, HDToolBox found it like a normal HD and could read the card to understand the size, name and so on.

14 July 2007, 22:48	#13
Raffaz Kebab Lover Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Newcastle, UK Age: 49 Posts: 67	Well its got me beat lol. Ive tested the adapter on the pc and its fine, ive tested both CF cards and they are fine on the pc. The HDD cable in the amiga is working coz i installed workbench 3.1 to a small HDD earlier. Ive tried as master and slave, ive tried the adapter both ways on the cable. Doesnt matter what i do it cant be seen.

15 July 2007, 09:11	#14
jimbob005 Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: swadlincote, uk Age: 43 Posts: 226	found this on ebay it all ready been tested http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amiga-CF-IDE-A...QQcmdZViewItem

15 July 2007, 12:21	#15
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,783	Download from here http://aminet.net/disk/misc/hdinst.lha If the cf is formated then you can be sure its the adapter -Its all good Fun

15 July 2007, 20:48	#16
spannernick Retro Nuts Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London/UK Age: 53 Posts: 1,184	http://alan2.rateliff.us/a1200flash/

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