Attitudes towards Emulation

[HOL2001]

As I said before:

Don't hesitate, just emulate.

[Amigamancer]

I have voted "bad for the Amiga scene" because this is what i believe.

[Stig]

The amiga sound pack for WinUAE plus on-screen leds do set the mood!.

[wanderer]

Can anyone recall any cases of, hmmm, "superior" emulation? A lesser machine, trying to emulate a better one? Seem to remember an Amiga emulator for C-64, or even Amstrad CPC 6128 , or am I wrong?
Surely there must have been for some systems some sort of semi-working emulators of this type?

[Unknown_K]

There were Atari ST kits that emulated a Mac

[mr_a500]

Can anyone recall any cases of, hmmm, "superior" emulation? A lesser machine, trying to emulate a better one?

Well, my Amiga 500 emulates MacOS 7.5.5 pretty nicely. It runs at nearly full speed in monochrome. Although it is an accelerated A500 with some newer parts, I still think it's pretty amazing for an '80s Amiga to be running a 1996 MacOS.

[_ThEcRoW]

Very important for the amiga scene.
I choose this altough i own and use my two classics(1200 & 500), winuae is a excellent path to running 68k code actually, when most parts for these computers are very hard to find or repair. Also, i think, that in the case of amiga it even beats the real thing in case of performance (040 at speeds over the ghz). So this is my point of view.
See ya!

Originally Posted by wanderer

A lesser machine, trying to emulate a better one?

...like a PC trying to emulate an Amiga

[Phantasm]

Well there was the Atari ST emulator for the amiga, and I guess if you count mhz for mhz, the ST could be classed as "superior" to the amiga in that one respect.

[DrBong]

Originally Posted by Freakyweakywoo

I dont think I was totaly sure which it was when I made the poll to be honest, but looking at the questions I'd say I meant in genral, but was hoping people would post there opinions about thier attitudes towards amiga/amiga emulation. Just to get a full picture.

I don't think emulation of any platform/console will be better or as good as the real thing, although it gets pretty damn close to the real thing in some instances (e.g. C64 emulation is almost state of the art). I suppose it's a little bit like listening to CD versions of old music that was originally released on vinyl. It just lacks that certain something.

As for Amiga emulation, I think it's pretty important, even though I don't emulate and probably won't until all my Amigas die. By then I imagine that Amiga emulation will be as good as C64 emulation is at present (if not better!).

[HOL2001]

Originally Posted by pxscroll

...like a PC trying to emulate an Amiga

That's it ! ;-) ...
... and Toni make it possible...

[Charlie]

'Had to say 'all hail emulation'
Why?
I've never owned a 'real' Amiga. I had various Acorn computers if any of you have heard of them, & pretty d**n good they are too.
Then I came across UAE followed by AIAB. Hmmm. AmigaOS pretty good! 'Wish I'd payed more attention when it was 'worth' buying hardware.

( Please don't flame me for the last comment. I do understand that many people get alot out of their investment, & there's nothing wrong with being a retro freak. )

So a few years later & quite alot of Amiga-specific software bought, I'm very pleased with my 'Amigas' ( WinUAE, AmigaForever, Amithlon ) running on various x86 boxes along with a fair selection of other OS's inc RiscOS under emulation.
It's by far the most pleasent enviroment I use. It allows me huge room for customization. It's got lots of useful apps+games, and is the only OS I know of whose workings are fairly transparent to the user while remaining very powerful.
Also with my OS architecture hat on it's still a beautifully elegant & efficient pice of work. I can't for the life of me understand why its fundamentals haven't been ripped off by 'modern' OS' vendors rather than the largely brain-dead crud about @ present that only functions by brute force. ( Windows, Linux, MacOS to name a few )

Ranting aside, I would never have sampled all this deliciousness without emulation.
So...
All Hail Emulation!!

[BippyM]

Originally Posted by wanderer

Can anyone recall any cases of, hmmm, "superior" emulation? A lesser machine, trying to emulate a better one?

A machine is only as good as its software in most cases and unfortunately pc's are blessed with Windows

If windows was as powerful (in comparative terms considering progress and development) as Workbench then PC's would be fantastic machines!

[Unknown_K]

Originally Posted by bippym

A machine is only as good as its software in most cases and unfortunately pc's are blessed with Windows

If windows was as powerful (in comparative terms considering progress and development) as Workbench then PC's would be fantastic machines!

Windows is an OS, just like workbench. The user can get what he/she needs done with the tools at hand and a little creativity.

[BippyM]

Originally Posted by Unknown_K

Windows is an OS, just like workbench. The user can get what he/she needs done with the tools at hand and a little creativity.

I was referring to the power to size/requirements ratio!

Workbench had a huge underlying power with little requirements and it wasn't bloated shit.

Windows is Huuuge in comparison and is over bloated with a lot of shit and the requirements are not justified!!

If windows was a streamlined and powerful (considering the advances in technology) then it'd be beautiful to use!!

[Dr. Dude]

its the future.
Hardware that emulates hardware, its briljant, never again a game won't run due of to low or to high system. Or a graphics card that hapen not to run on ur game. A flexible and compatible system, turn ur pc to amiga or playstation

It will be the PE....personal emulator

[LocalH]

Originally Posted by Dr. Dude

its the future.
Hardware that emulates hardware, its briljant, never again a game won't run due of to low or to high system. Or a graphics card that hapen not to run on ur game. A flexible and compatible system, turn ur pc to amiga or playstation

It will be the PE....personal emulator

This is theoretically possible today, with FPGAs (it's sort of the whole concept behind the C=1 by Jeri Ellsworth). Of course, it's a lot of work, because someone has to implement the hardware on the FPGA before it can be emulated. I could see an Amiga-on-a-card using this, for example - use a suitably large FPGA to replace each chip that can vary between Amigas (for example, CPU, Agnus+Denise and their AGA counterparts, etc), and have one FPGA config for each part that you wish to emulate ('000, '020, '030 (with optional MMU, of course), '040, '060, Normal/Fat/Fatter Agnus, Normal/Super Denise, etc). Of course, you'd have a breakout box holding all the Amiga ports, and you'd basically be able to pick which pieces of hardware you want to emulate, program the FPGAs with those configs, and then start the system up.