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Old 12 January 2018, 12:46   #1501
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Thought your Amiga couldn't handle the sonnet?
It remained undetermined whether it was my Amiga or myself who couldn't handle it
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Old 12 January 2018, 20:20   #1502
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Got deleted But i am back with a bit of spare time. Got two TSI107D and mpc7410 for testing. Unfortunately got no time to design PCB yet but stared... Reading this thread i am curious what card you have found? Did you utilse some powerquicc card or PC104 card with PCI adapter ?
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Old 12 January 2018, 21:32   #1503
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Cosmo?
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Old 12 January 2018, 21:36   #1504
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Nope... In april 2017 i said it should be possible to use MPC8245 based motion card... but OP and discussion mentioned it is 603e core only... so less powerfull.
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Old 12 January 2018, 22:10   #1505
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Nope... In april 2017 i said it should be possible to use MPC8245 based motion card... but OP and discussion mentioned it is 603e core only... so less powerfull.
yes there are many like that this is a another cheap option like those that should work as its i2o https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_NIC
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Old 12 January 2018, 22:14   #1506
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You must have some serious ebay skills as I can't find anything on ebay that may be suitable.

Closest I can find is a remote supervisor card or some Nortel Networks board.
Unless you have found a Mac G4 Zif board thingy to PCI adapter?
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Old 12 January 2018, 22:19   #1507
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You must have some serious ebay skills as I can't find anything on ebay that may be suitable.

Closest I can find is a remote supervisor card or some Nortel Networks board.
Unless you have found a Mac G4 Zif board thingy to PCI adapter?
talkin to the wrong guy
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Old 12 January 2018, 22:22   #1508
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Ahh thought it was grelbfarlk who found the card.

Edit:
Does the mystery board work with the current powerpc.library on the GitHub or is there a separate development branch?
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Old 12 January 2018, 22:25   #1509
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Ahh thought it was grelbfarlk who found the card.
Nope, credit goes to Nexus for finding the card.

It's a separate branch but it's mainly the same as what's up on Github.

There is always the possibility that we missed some card that could be supported. Best thing to do is buy four and send one to Hedeon, Nexus and me But if there aren't at least 10 available, then it's like what's the point. Basic rule goes, if has a ROM then it's probably not going to work since it's likely to be configuring it such a way on boot that getting it to boot our way is not going to work. I can remove a ROM easily enough though.

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Old 12 January 2018, 22:32   #1510
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Well let us know when the branch is open for testing.
Would love to buy a mystery card to give all this PPC a go.

Probably kick my self as it's sat right there under my nose on ebay.
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Old 12 January 2018, 22:53   #1511
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yes there are many like that this is a another cheap option like those that should work as its i2o https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_NIC
I2O ? What that means ?
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Old 12 January 2018, 23:04   #1512
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Well we spent some time today with jack-3d, trying to figure out what hardware you are talking

How do you find the card from thermal point of view? Is it getting hot?
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Old 12 January 2018, 23:22   #1513
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you guys keep lookin for cards but this is not what are final product is the 7410 we are showing you numbers on is just the beginning
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Old 12 January 2018, 23:24   #1514
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Well we spent some time today with jack-3d, trying to figure out what hardware you are talking

How do you find the card from thermal point of view? Is it getting hot?
Well the CPU after running GLQuake for 4 hours is at 130F or 54C. So pretty warm but not really that warm. The rest of it is not hot.

Which reminds me I think the 7410 has some kind of thermal monitoring.

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Old 12 January 2018, 23:30   #1515
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I2O ? What that means ?
From the MPC107 User Manual:

1.3.5.4 Intelligent Input/Output Controller (I2O)
The intelligent I/O specification is an open standard that defines an abstraction layer
interface between the OS and subsystem drivers. Messages are passed between the message
abstraction layer from one device to another.

The I2O specification describes a system as being made up of host processors and
input/output platforms (IOPs). The host processor is a single processor or a collection of
processors working together to execute a homogenous operating system. An IOP consists
of a processor, memory, and I/O interfaces. The IOP functions separately from other
processors within the system to handle system I/O functions.

Need this on the PCI bridge to pass messages from the 68k to the PPC. In our case a TSI107.
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Old 12 January 2018, 23:37   #1516
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If it is such a NIC, get the network part working too, that saves a pci/zorro slot :P
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Old 12 January 2018, 23:43   #1517
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If it is such a NIC, get the network part working too, that saves a pci/zorro slot :P
no we arent gonna be using such things there is gonna be a built card with 3x the specs
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Old 13 January 2018, 00:46   #1518
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Well the CPU after running GLQuake for 4 hours is at 130F or 54C. So pretty warm but not really that warm. The rest of it is not hot.

Which reminds me I think the 7410 has some kind of thermal monitoring.
That's nice.

/speculation on

There are several models available, question is if its possible to use models with more than 256MB memory and if there is theoretical chance to utilize more than 256MB RAM...

Its not as cheap as Sonnet used to be (at least in the beginning of this project) but definitely there is bigger chance for people to buy it. Hardware install would not be as straightforward as with Sonnet but I think this will be OK

/speculation off

Together with jack-3d we are ready to help with testing :-)
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Old 13 January 2018, 01:07   #1519
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GLQuake test been going for 21319 seconds or 5.92 hours, so I guess it's stable enough at this point.

256MB is probably going to be the limit, because of PCI config space. Yeah we have 512MB available in theory but various devices take more than they need. Maybe this can be increased a bit but you're still going to want a Voodoo 3 (or Voodoo 4 ONLY IF THE DRIVER IS EVER FIXED.)

And before people go and speculatively go blow money and get disappointed that their card can't/won't/don't work, hold off on that, just my advice.

I don't know why you are thinking hardware install is not straight forward as Sonnet. There is more or less some of the same problems, 5V only Mediators and such, but that's a nut that's easy enough to crack. There is arguably some reduced complexity actually.

Like Hedeon and I griped about earlier, most Desktop users are going to have problems. It's definitely consuming more power than the Sonnet so it may be a requirement that you have either a very freshly recapped power supply or an ATX power supply with a stable 5V rail, which most are not.

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Old 13 January 2018, 01:17   #1520
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If there is any way we can help with - just let us know.

Btw: I still don't get that on A1200 you can have 256MB RAM even with 68030 and 4000D is limited to 128MB on CPU card...
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