How to replace a 68060? (CS060 MK1)

NorthWay · 01 November 2017, 01:17

One of the youtube clips I found seemed to indicate that the 68060 is simply pushed down into the socket. I think that applies for my CS060 MK1 too. Correct?

The tool used to replace it looked like a cross between a spatel and a fork - approx the width of the whole chip. What tool is that, and where do I buy one?

Are there any reputable places to buy a Rev 6 (that is the bug-free one, yes?) full MMU/FPU version? I don't need the highest clocking ones, I will run at the stock 50MHz.
Thanks.

grelbfarlk · 01 November 2017, 03:35

Any rev above 0 is the bug-free one, so if you're just going to run at 50MHz any rev will do except rev 0. Later versions will run cooler so you won't even need a heatsink on them at 50MHz. Rev 1+ will be fine for you. I have a Rev 0 which in normal usage there aren't any noticeable problems with but it does run fairly warm without a heatsink.

Really you don't need to pay the premium for a Rev 6.

NorthWay · 01 November 2017, 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by grelbfarlk

Any rev above 0 is the bug-free one

See this: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=89214

ElectroBlaster · 01 November 2017, 11:58

Forgive me for being dumb but you are talking about the Cyberstorm Mk1 yes?

I have one here, unknown working or not as I still slowly restoring an A4000.
I was wondering about how you get the cpu out, not that I plan to do that unless the card is non-working. But I will probably get somebody who knows what they are doing to repair if things go that way.

grelbfarlk · 01 November 2017, 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorthWay

See this: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=89214

I was wrong.

NorthWay · 01 November 2017, 14:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElectroBlaster

Forgive me for being dumb but you are talking about the Cyberstorm Mk1 yes?

Yes, that's what I have in my 4000. (Though mine has no ethernet/cache option as is often mentioned that they have.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElectroBlaster

I was wondering about how you get the cpu out, not that I plan to do that unless the card is non-working.

Same as me then. It looked like there was a tool for simply jacking it out, but I don't know what it could be named or where I should look for one.
I had my 68060 barf on good code - and the workaround makes it slow down - so I want to replace it with a known working bug-free one. If ebay is an indication then prices have gone silly.

ElectroBlaster · 01 November 2017, 14:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorthWay

Yes, that's what I have in my 4000. (Though mine has no ethernet/cache option as is often mentioned that they have.)

Same as me then. It looked like there was a tool for simply jacking it out, but I don't know what it could be named or where I should look for one.
I had my 68060 barf on good code - and the workaround makes it slow down - so I want to replace it with a known working bug-free one. If ebay is an indication then prices have gone silly.

Prices have gone nuts! This is not just Amiga stuff or retro stuff! Classic cars for example, Ford Escort Mk1's that are complete trash are selling for very strong money!

Regarding the tool used to remove the cpu, do you have that picture handy? There is a chap called John Hertell who has done some insane things with A3460's cpu cards. His recent work turning these into 060 cards, somebody added a zif socket for the 060 cpu which means it can be swapped at will with hardly any fuss! Either that was John or somebody else's work. But I think its genius

I am probably running ahead of myself with all this! but I am tempted to look into this stuff

NorthWay · 01 November 2017, 15:35

This is the video of Cosmos(?) removing a cpu: [ Show youtube player ]
That is the tool I was asking about.

talybont · 01 November 2017, 17:55

Looks a bit like this:

http://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/...moval_tool.jpg

prowler · 01 November 2017, 22:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by talybont

Looks a bit like this:

http://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/...moval_tool.jpg

Yes, I have a tool exactly like that. I would have taken a picture of it and attached it here, but that would be futile now.

If the OP were local, then I would lend it to him.

NorthWay · 02 November 2017, 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by talybont

Looks a bit like this:

http://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/...moval_tool.jpg

That looks close enough. Where do you buy one (online)?

(And I haven't ripped apart my CS060 to check if the pins are soldered...)
(Oh yes, still looking for somewhere to get a Rev 6 060!)

prowler · 02 November 2017, 00:19

I got my processor removal tool packaged together with an Intel Pentium III 1GHz Coppermine CPU I bought to install in a new motherboard.

The motherboard has a zero force insertion processor socket, so I have never needed the tool with that processor. (It is now in my Amithlon / AmigaOS XL machine .

)

Edit: I don't know whether the tool was available separately. Mine was packaged complete with the processor in a box much larger and more rugged than was necessary.

trixster · 02 November 2017, 11:00

Wide flats headed screwdriver, slowly and carefully work your way around the cpu corners to ease it up a mm at a time.

Jope · 02 November 2017, 13:15

There's a screw based PGA puller tool too, which is the safest way to remove these, but it seems they're a bit hard to find in 2017.

NorthWay · 15 November 2017, 02:52

I got it done, but it was a bit of a cold-sweat thing. When it first had lifted a little I used a tiny screwdriver that I put between the pins and jacked carefully.

Putting the new one in was worse though. At one point you have to do a leap of faith and just push, hoping all the pins had been massaged into place.

01 November 2017, 01:17	#1
NorthWay Registered User Join Date: May 2013 Location: Grimstad / Norway Posts: 841	How to replace a 68060? (CS060 MK1) One of the youtube clips I found seemed to indicate that the 68060 is simply pushed down into the socket. I think that applies for my CS060 MK1 too. Correct? The tool used to replace it looked like a cross between a spatel and a fork - approx the width of the whole chip. What tool is that, and where do I buy one? Are there any reputable places to buy a Rev 6 (that is the bug-free one, yes?) full MMU/FPU version? I don't need the highest clocking ones, I will run at the stock 50MHz. Thanks.

02 November 2017, 00:19	#12
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	I got my processor removal tool packaged together with an Intel Pentium III 1GHz Coppermine CPU I bought to install in a new motherboard. The motherboard has a zero force insertion processor socket, so I have never needed the tool with that processor. (It is now in my Amithlon / AmigaOS XL machine . ) Edit: I don't know whether the tool was available separately. Mine was packaged complete with the processor in a box much larger and more rugged than was necessary. Last edited by prowler; 03 November 2017 at 00:30.

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01 November 2017, 03:35	#2
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,915	Any rev above 0 is the bug-free one, so if you're just going to run at 50MHz any rev will do except rev 0. Later versions will run cooler so you won't even need a heatsink on them at 50MHz. Rev 1+ will be fine for you. I have a Rev 0 which in normal usage there aren't any noticeable problems with but it does run fairly warm without a heatsink. Really you don't need to pay the premium for a Rev 6.

01 November 2017, 11:58	#4
ElectroBlaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Age: 49 Posts: 1,708	Forgive me for being dumb but you are talking about the Cyberstorm Mk1 yes? I have one here, unknown working or not as I still slowly restoring an A4000. I was wondering about how you get the cpu out, not that I plan to do that unless the card is non-working. But I will probably get somebody who knows what they are doing to repair if things go that way.

01 November 2017, 15:35	#8
NorthWay Registered User Join Date: May 2013 Location: Grimstad / Norway Posts: 841	This is the video of Cosmos(?) removing a cpu: [ Show youtube player ] That is the tool I was asking about.

01 November 2017, 17:55	#9
talybont Registered User Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Norway Posts: 170	Looks a bit like this: http://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/...moval_tool.jpg

02 November 2017, 11:00	#13
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,339	Wide flats headed screwdriver, slowly and carefully work your way around the cpu corners to ease it up a mm at a time.

02 November 2017, 13:15	#14
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,864	There's a screw based PGA puller tool too, which is the safest way to remove these, but it seems they're a bit hard to find in 2017.

15 November 2017, 02:52	#15
NorthWay Registered User Join Date: May 2013 Location: Grimstad / Norway Posts: 841	I got it done, but it was a bit of a cold-sweat thing. When it first had lifted a little I used a tiny screwdriver that I put between the pins and jacked carefully. Putting the new one in was worse though. At one point you have to do a leap of faith and just push, hoping all the pins had been massaged into place.

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